Rumor: Rondo/O'Neal for Gasol

[goCeltics]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

that before this season started next year he will be turning 33 and making $23 mill, and his skills would have declined and about to decline further

he is shooting 50% this season 3% lower than last season so far.

[Eddie20]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

30+ year old Power forwards with a 20million$ contract are not easily movable...look at Kevin Garnett

the Bulls are offering CJ watson and boozer for him...thats his current value. in 1-2 years it will be even less

Wait, just because a team "offers" something doesn't mean that is the player's value. But there is a flip side to that, if reports are true and we indeed offered Rondo for Curry, Rondo & Green for Paul, Rondo & Green for Westbrook, then what is Rondo's true trade value? Yeah, probably a 31 year old all-star level big man.

[JOMVP]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

30+ year old Power forwards with a 20million$ contract are not easily movable...look at Kevin Garnett

the Bulls are offering CJ watson and boozer for him...thats his current value. in 1-2 years it will be even less

The basic thought process is that we are not gonna be able to get Dwight and Deron this offseason, and that is all there is in free agency. The best bet is to trade for the big this season that we are sorely lacking and make a run for it and trade Gasol later for scraps and clear cap room for a free agency year that actually has talent.

[birdbrady]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

that before this season started next year he will be turning 33 and making $23 mill, and his skills would have declined and about to decline further

Sorry dude, just a few weeks ago the Wolves were being rumored to be putting together a package that was centered around Derrick Williams (#2 overall in the draft.)  I don't know Williams but that's a story for another day.

Ask yourself this, does Rondo fetch us something like that?

And another thing, where are you getting these numbers?! Gasol isn't turning 33.  He's 31 now and will be for the rest of the season.  And 23M?!  He's making 18.7 now and with the trade kicker, it puts it a hair over 20M.  Stop embellishing.

[BostonArizona]

Why does everyone keep saying adding Gasol kills our cap space?

Here are the scenarios in my mind if this trade goes through, and the implications for this season/offseason.

1:
-We make a run this year and realize the big three simply don't have enough left to make a title push
-Obvious move is to start rebuilding
-Trade Gasol for young pieces/picks
-Gasol will certain fetch more value than Rondo would because more contenders/fringe contenders are willing to give up pieces for a big man than a PG(ie: Rockets, Twolves, really any team looking for a BIG lift to the front court for the near future)
-Rebuild around the pieces you receive in the trade/picks
-Amnesty Pierce for a big name FA(not a fan of this)

2:
-Make a DEEP playoff run this year
-Maybe the big three still have a title run or 2 left in them
-Keep Gasol/Pierce
-Retain many of our players(KG/Ray/Bass/Green)
-Use MLE on a difference maker
-Possible title contender for the next 2 years

Either way I think we're better off than we are currently headed. Rondo is a great player, but not "best player on a title team" great.

[birdbrady]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

30+ year old Power forwards with a 20million$ contract are not easily movable...look at Kevin Garnett

the Bulls are offering CJ watson and boozer for him...thats his current value. in 1-2 years it will be even less

Just because the Bulls are trying to lowball LA that means = current value?

Uh, no.

Chicago was never really interested in Pau.  They were doing that to appease Rose.

Minnesota is interested (Derrick Wiliams), Houston put together a big package for him a few months ago...  There would be takers please.

[goCeltics]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

that before this season started next year he will be turning 33 and making $23 mill, and his skills would have declined and about to decline further

Sorry dude, just a few weeks ago the Wolves were being rumored to be putting together a package that was centered around Derrick Williams (#2 overall in the draft.)  I don't know Williams but that's a story for another day.

Ask yourself this, does Rondo fetch us something like that?

And another thing, where are you getting these numbers?! Gasol isn't turning 33.  He's 31 now and will be for the rest of the season.  And 23M?!  He's making 18.7 now and with the trade kicker, it puts it a hair over 20M.  Stop embellishing.

he was also rumopred to be traded for boozer and cj watson,

btw that is what is being offered now. If the c's retrade him it not this year but next after a year of further decline. Wait until his first figure in his shooting percent becomes a 4 and he his boards go under 10 a game, which there is big chance of happening, what do you think his value will be then?
when you be retrading him he will be turning 33.

Unless you can freeze gasol age once you trade for him, all these things are going be true once it comes time to retrade him.

gasol salary next year

19 million

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/lakers.jsp

now add a 15% trade kicker

so 1.15*19 = 21.85 mill.

little bit off but i was closer.

btw it becomes 22.3 mill the year the crap crunch occurs 2013/14 when the new tax rules begin, more likely what will happen is that the c's will have to give up a pick to off load the contract like the lafrentz deal.

[Vermont Green]

Also, I recall that Mitch K. was very obtuse the other day when he maid a statement about the possibility of trading Gasol.  It seems realistic that something is going down.

It is hard to believe that the Lakers want Rondo (at least for themselves).  They know better than anyone that he doesn't need to be defended.  That is why I predicted above that the Lakers are going to package Rondo with Bynum to get Howard and Hego.

I guy that scores 15 points a game and averages 10 assist doesn't need to be defended? 

When the Lakers play the Celtics, they have Kobe "cover" Rondo.  What Kobe does is play off Rondo 6-10 feet so he can more easily double other players and, well, rest.  The Lakers were successful with this strategy and now other teams have copied it.  So yeah, I believe that the Lakers have calculated that they don't need to cover Rondo.

[gpap]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Who cares how long the window was supposed to be open?

Next year, we could be looking at a team of:

Gasol
KG / Bass
Pierce / Green
Ray
?

Let's say that Nash wants to chase after a ring.  Add Nash to the above team.  Or, if he's healthy, Chauncey Billups.  Or both.

Doesn't that chance have a more legitimate shot at a ring than any team we're likely to have in the next 3 to 5 years of rebuilding?  The goal is to win championships, not to have solidly constructed rosters built over time.

I agree. I don't understand why "rebuilding" and keeping Rondo has become more important to some than winning another title this season. Granted, trading for Gasol doesn't guarantee you anything this year. BUT, I've always felt that the Celts are one big man away from POSSIBLY being championship contenders once again.

[nickagneta]

For those saying Gasol is over the hill, remember we got Ray Allen at the exact same age as Gasol would be next year and Garnett at just a year younger. And because Gasol didn't start playing NBA basketball until he was 21 he probably has far less miles on him than Garnett did at the same age.

[birdbrady]

If this doesn't work out for us, we'll be left with a team full of 30+ year olds for another couple years. If it doesn't work out for the Lakers, they'll still have Rondo and Bynum to rebuild with.

Man I just don't know how many more times this needs to be pointed out:

Gasol is easily moveable.

We will not be "stuck" with him.  This guy is no bum.  He  is highly valued around the league and plays a premium position.

that before this season started next year he will be turning 33 and making $23 mill, and his skills would have declined and about to decline further

Sorry dude, just a few weeks ago the Wolves were being rumored to be putting together a package that was centered around Derrick Williams (#2 overall in the draft.)  I don't know Williams but that's a story for another day.

Ask yourself this, does Rondo fetch us something like that?

And another thing, where are you getting these numbers?! Gasol isn't turning 33.  He's 31 now and will be for the rest of the season.  And 23M?!  He's making 18.7 now and with the trade kicker, it puts it a hair over 20M.  Stop embellishing.

he was also rumopred to be traded for boozer and cj watson,

btw that is what is being offered now. If the c's retrade him it not this year but next after a year of further decline. Wait until his first figure in his shooting percent becomes a 4 and he his boards go under 10 a game, which there is big chance of happening, what do you think his value will be then?.

gasol salary next year

19 million

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/lakers.jsp

now add a 15% trade kicker

so 1.15*19 = 21.85 mill.

little bit off but i was closer.

btw it becomes 22.3 mill the year the crap crunch occurs 2013/14 when the new tax rules begin, more likely what will happen is that the c's will have to give up a pick to off load the contract like the lafrentz deal.

Stop.  Boozer+Watson=Lakers laughed it.  It was a lowball effort by Chicago in attempt to steal Pau from LA.  It was never even freakin' considered.  Also, again, Gasol is 31, not 33. Stop trying to slide that in there.  That's a big difference.

Gasol was ACTUALLY TRADED two months ago for Martin, Scola, Dragic, and a #1.

Minnesota is still trying to find out to get him, and is trying to put together a package centered around Derrick Williams.

Hell, there were rumors 1.5 years ago that Minny was thinking of trading Kevin Love for him.

Unless we hold onto Pau till after next year, we can easily trade him.  And again, he is not signed long term.  He expires when Pierce does.  And we won't be taking back any clutter either.

[cman88]

As I said on the frontpage: anyone who thinks this trade wouldn't be a gift for the Lakers is in denial.

... or, in the alternative, that person isn't in denial at all, but simply has a different opinion than you do.

na, its definitely a much better trade for the lakers...they get an Allstar Pointguard who is 26years old and an 11ppg PF in Bass..

all while dumping an aging Bigman in Gasol who has an albatross contract..it makes the Lakers better now, and going forward having 2 allstars in place.

all while the celtics get stuck spending $45million of capspace on 2 30+ players the next 2years.

danny would be insane to make this trade

Well, most people are debating the original "rumor" of Rondo + JO for Gasol, rather than adding Bass.  I would agree that you can't do this deal if Bass is involved.

However, even with Bass included, I don't think anybody is "in denial" about this trade idea.  Nobody is "insane".  This deal is within the ballpark of fair, and it's a matter of personal preference in terms of what side is doing better.

The Lakers get the younger guy with more long-term value, but the Celtics would be getting the perfect guy to complement their team.  Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

but you mean the celtics team of 3 guys all on the wrong side of 30years old...all declining themselves.

we're in year 5 of a 3year window...im not sure why we should even try to put bandaids on this and try and drag it out 2more years

Who cares how long the window was supposed to be open?

Next year, we could be looking at a team of:

Gasol
KG / Bass
Pierce / Green
Ray
?

Let's say that Nash wants to chase after a ring.  Add Nash to the above team.  Or, if he's healthy, Chauncey Billups.  Or both.

Doesn't that chance have a more legitimate shot at a ring than any team we're likely to have in the next 3 to 5 years of rebuilding?  The goal is to win championships, not to have solidly constructed rosters built over time.

I agree. I don't understand why "rebuilding" and keeping Rondo has become more important to some than winning another title this season. Granted, trading for Gasol doesn't guarantee you anything this year. BUT, I've always felt that the Celts are one big man away from POSSIBLY being championship contenders once again.

not with the way our big 3 have been playing this year...they look cooked

moves like these where teams give out bad contracts(or trade for bad contracts) to try and squeeze out an extra year or two of contention with an old core..is usually what Bad GM's do..which is why detroit is in the position they are in....a poor team stuck over the cap..but not true contenders.

Ainge made sure to set us up so we dont follow Detroits model when their team started to age...getting gasol pretty much throws a wrench in that. which is why I dont think ainge would do it.

[stylo617617]

well i read on a roy hobbs article we'd have 25 mill after picks etc .pau will add on a extra 8 million so if we keep pierce that means we'd prolly have 13-15 mill in space i mean if dwight wanted a BIG paycut we cans till sign him ,

all in all were better off keeping rondo & waving pierce then building an enitre team of atheltisim & shooting around rondo

[goCeltics]

Also, I recall that Mitch K. was very obtuse the other day when he maid a statement about the possibility of trading Gasol.  It seems realistic that something is going down.

It is hard to believe that the Lakers want Rondo (at least for themselves).  They know better than anyone that he doesn't need to be defended.  That is why I predicted above that the Lakers are going to package Rondo with Bynum to get Howard and Hego.

I guy that scores 15 points a game and averages 10 assist doesn't need to be defended?  

When the Lakers play the Celtics, they have Kobe "cover" Rondo.  What Kobe does is play off Rondo 6-10 feet so he can more easily double other players and, well, rest.  The Lakers were successful with this strategy and now other teams have copied it.  So yeah, I believe that the Lakers have calculated that they don't need to cover Rondo.

reason celtics lose is because paul is 34 and kg is 35 and can't rebound like they use to, which would be soon true of gasol also. when the celtics beat the lakers in 2007 it was the same rondo even a poorer version and the celtics and the lakers were using the exact same game plan and the celtics won? why because they had a younger kg and paul rebounding as well as perk, powe and pj brown. If the celtics board they win.

[lon3lytoaster]

I think some people are reading a little too much into a couple tweets, but assuming there's anything to this rumor, I don't know. Love Rondo, but since we don't run, we can't really maximize his talents.

Gasol fits more of a need for us, but god help us if Bradley got hurt and we'd be with Keyon Dooling.