Rumor: Rondo/O'Neal for Gasol

[JOMVP]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vejrs4

For some reason I forsee something like this happening.

I don't believe Rondo is the Lakers "guy." I think they've played him enough to understand his problems as a PG. I do think the Magic would be sold on having Rondo and Bynum running with eachother for a few years. They could amnesty Hedo next year, re-sign Ryan Anderson and they would have a decent team.

 

[WeMadeIt17]

Would people consider signing gilbert areans if we did this? Could have potential to be a scary lineup of gil allen pierce kg and gasol

[Smutzy#9]

Would people consider signing gilbert areans if we did this? Could have potential to be a scary lineup of gil allen pierce kg and gasol

I dont want that lockeroom cancer anywhere near this team.

[LooseCannon]

Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

Or how little value those players have.  Would you trade Rondo and O'Neal for that?

[LarBrd33]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vejrs4

For some reason I forsee something like this happening.

I don't believe Rondo is the Lakers "guy." I think they've played him enough to understand his problems as a PG. I do think the Magic would be sold on having Rondo and Bynum running with eachother for a few years. They could amnesty Hedo next year, re-sign Ryan Anderson and they would have a decent team.

 

The biggest issue the celtics have is a lack of starting center.  Jermaine oneal is a 6th string big man and we are starting him.  you could add chris kaman to this team and probably instantly go from also-ran to legitimate contender.  Our bench would still be trash but at least we would have a center.  So it makes a ton of sense why we would swap rondo for gasol.  The benefits of obtaining gasol this year far outweigh what you would lose with rondo this year simply because gasol is a far better player and a big man.  The guy won over 50 games by himself in Memphis while Kobe was toiling alone in LA below .500.  Gasol is legit and you need a star big man to do anything in this league.  So this year, it would make us a threat regardless of who took rondos role. 

The biggest drawback would be seeing rondo play in la at a high level for the next 8 years.  Even if you could get 4-5 years out of gasol, that would be tough.  Now that KG is washed up it doesn't really sting that big al is a 20 and 10 guy.... Mainly because big al plays in Utah.  Frankly nobody in Boston even thinks of it.    If big al was doing that on the lakers right now, it would sting a little.  Same thing with rondo... If he ends up with a 3rd team it would make the trade a lot easier to swallow

 

 

[pearljammer10]

Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

Or how little value those players have.  Would you trade Rondo and O'Neal for that?

interesting spin... i would not take that deal. however the lakers would have received chris paul so you cant really make that argument.

[LarBrd33]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7vejrs4

For some reason I forsee something like this happening.

I don't believe Rondo is the Lakers "guy." I think they've played him enough to understand his problems as a PG. I do think the Magic would be sold on having Rondo and Bynum running with eachother for a few years. They could amnesty Hedo next year, re-sign Ryan Anderson and they would have a decent team.

 

Btw... On your trade.  LA isn't interested in trading both pau and Bynum for Dwight.  If they were, they could do so without bostons involvement.   

More likely if they did this they would end up trading Bynum for Dwight and have rondo, Kobe and Dwight as their threesome

[LarBrd33]

From Orlando sentinel:

There's a rumor circulating involving Howard, where the deal actually will come down March 1.

It goes something like this: The Magic send Howard, SF Hedo Turkoglu and Nelson to the Lakers; the Magic receive Bynum and Gasol. The salaries are close to matching up, making the deal work.

A third team, the Toronto Raptors, could be part of the deal or in a separate trade with the Magic, sending PG José Calderon to Orlando.

Could be a great deal for the Magic, under the circumstances. There are some obvious holes in the scenario or scenarios.

For one, what do the Raptors get out of it? But the biggest hole is this: Howard is apparently cool on joining Kobe in L.A.

That's interesting.  What would the raptors get out of it.  How about we toss in a draft pick of two and send rondo to orlando for gasol and Calderon.  Calderon can shoot.  Answers any question you had.  A hypothetical team of ray, pierce, KG and pau is perfect for Calderon.  Just sayin

Edit: nevermind... Calderon makes too much money

[ACF]

From Orlando sentinel:

There's a rumor circulating involving Howard, where the deal actually will come down March 1.

It goes something like this: The Magic send Howard, SF Hedo Turkoglu and Nelson to the Lakers; the Magic receive Bynum and Gasol. The salaries are close to matching up, making the deal work.

A third team, the Toronto Raptors, could be part of the deal or in a separate trade with the Magic, sending PG José Calderon to Orlando.

Could be a great deal for the Magic, under the circumstances. There are some obvious holes in the scenario or scenarios.

For one, what do the Raptors get out of it? But the biggest hole is this: Howard is apparently cool on joining Kobe in L.A.

That's interesting.  What would the raptors get out of it.  How about we toss in a draft pick of two and send rondo to orlando for gasol and Calderon.  Calderon can shoot.  Answers any question you had.  A hypothetical team of ray, pierce, KG and pau is perfect for Calderon.  Just sayin

Edit: nevermind... Calderon makes too much money

And is terrible on D.

[PosImpos]

From Orlando sentinel:

There's a rumor circulating involving Howard, where the deal actually will come down March 1.

It goes something like this: The Magic send Howard, SF Hedo Turkoglu and Nelson to the Lakers; the Magic receive Bynum and Gasol. The salaries are close to matching up, making the deal work.

A third team, the Toronto Raptors, could be part of the deal or in a separate trade with the Magic, sending PG José Calderon to Orlando.

Could be a great deal for the Magic, under the circumstances. There are some obvious holes in the scenario or scenarios.

For one, what do the Raptors get out of it? But the biggest hole is this: Howard is apparently cool on joining Kobe in L.A.

That's interesting.  What would the raptors get out of it.  How about we toss in a draft pick of two and send rondo to orlando for gasol and Calderon.  Calderon can shoot.  Answers any question you had.  A hypothetical team of ray, pierce, KG and pau is perfect for Calderon.  Just sayin

Edit: nevermind... Calderon makes too much money

And is terrible on D.

The Lakers have gotten by with Steve Blake and a decrepit Derek Fisher playing most of their point guard minutes . . . they're actually a very good defensive squad.  I think we could find ways to hide Calderon on defense.


I think the defensive effectiveness (or liability) of a point guard is determined to a very large extent by the big men he has behind him.  Calderon has spent most of his career with guys like Bosh and Bargnani backing him up.  Whereas Fisher / Blake have Gasol and Bynum.  If you gave Calderon KG and Gasol to back him up, I think he'd be much less of a liability.  Plus, due to his shooting prowess we could pair him with Bradley fairly often and play matchups.

[PosImpos]

It occurs to me that one thing that Celts could do with (some) of their cap space this summer, if they indeed trade Rondo for Gasol, is take on Marion and Odom from Dallas for nothing.  Marion and Odom are old, but they're both capable of being solid contributors; Odom in particular I think is underachieving this season because he got off on the wrong foot and wasn't in shape due to the lockout.  

Get Odom back playing next to Gasol and give him a full training camp to come together with the team, and I think he could slot in well as the starter, or as the 6th man behind KG (returning in a limited role).  Whatever works.

Marion would be a very solid backup to Pierce.  If we signed Jeff Green and re-signed Pietrus, we could have a large and multi-talented wing rotation with Green, Pietrus, Ray, Pierce, and Marion (with Bradley getting some minutes at SG, too).

If we trade for Gasol, that means we're committing to winning now, and moreover, committing to being a half-court team.  Marion and Odom would make a lot of sense.  Sign Andre Miller (or perhaps Nash, Billups, Felton, or Hinrich) to a cheap deal to run the show, and we could have a nice, if very "veteran", team on our hands.


Other players we could conceivably sign to reasonable deals to play in that PF spot, either ahead of or behind Garnett: Humphries or Jamison.  We could also just re-sign Bass (once he opts out), and sign a better backup center (though the options there are much more limited).

[LooseCannon]

Keep in mind, this past off-season Gasol was worth Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic, and a #1 pick.  That shows you how highly he's valued.

Or how little value those players have.  Would you trade Rondo and O'Neal for that?

interesting spin... i would not take that deal. however the lakers would have received chris paul so you cant really make that argument.

It's what Houston was willing to give up to get Gasol.  Daryl Morey is usually a highly-regarded general manager.  Was he overvaluing Gasol or undervaluing what he was giving up?  I think he was making a good deal.

[chambers]

I say yes.
If it can be done by March 15th, then yes.
If we are trying to get picks in the future to rebuild, Gasol is going to be in more demand than Rondo. We could use him for a run this season, and then see what he'll fetch in the off season if we decide to blow it up. He'll still have 2 years on his contract and we could unload Pierce and Gasol to the Rockets for something enormous, even a lottery pick.

I love Rondo but I have to say yes to this deal.
Makes us a serious contender this year I believe.
Would rather not give us Bass though.

[Jack_Frost]

Some considerations:

1) I'll do this trade IF Magic want Bynum AND Gasol for Howard (Basically: No Dwight to LA after the trade).
2) Gasol give us a shot (i think not so good, but he does) this year
3) You have to understand Pau has more value in others gm's considerations than Rondo
4) We can use Gasol in the summer, maybe in the draft day
5) With Gasol we have a better shot at Deron Williams in the summer. If Dwight reach the free agency (see the point 1) we can easily sell the project both to deron and howard (obviously you have to amnesty PP). Would you play in a team like this?

Deron
Rivers
? rookie?
Gasol
Howard  

With Kg/bass or both plus Allen, JJJ from the bench.

[PosImpos]

From Orlando sentinel:

There's a rumor circulating involving Howard, where the deal actually will come down March 1.

It goes something like this: The Magic send Howard, SF Hedo Turkoglu and Nelson to the Lakers; the Magic receive Bynum and Gasol. The salaries are close to matching up, making the deal work.

A third team, the Toronto Raptors, could be part of the deal or in a separate trade with the Magic, sending PG José Calderon to Orlando.

Could be a great deal for the Magic, under the circumstances. There are some obvious holes in the scenario or scenarios.

For one, what do the Raptors get out of it? But the biggest hole is this: Howard is apparently cool on joining Kobe in L.A.

John Denton ‏ @JohnDenton555 
Just heard this from very reliable souce: NJ Nets officials seriously doubt that the #Magic will trade @Dwighthoward before trade deadline.