Chris Brousard - "CP3 won't sign an extension with the c's"

[CelticSooner]

anyone else getting sick of seeing the "Paul wants to be traded to the Knicks" yet?

Not really, its okay for him to have a preferred destination. But given the Knicks lack of assets I don't think he's going there in a trade.

If CP3 wants to go to the Knicks... he'll probably go to the KNicks.  They will have enough cap room to sign him next season.  If he wants to be a punk about it he can just hold a gun to the Hornets and say he'll be going to New York for nothing... better take BIllups + garbage while they can.

Unless some team is willing to take him for one year... he'll end up in New York if he wants New York (since I don't see a team trading for him without an extension). 

NBA players holding their franchise hostage. Welcome to the new NBA!

[Fafnir]

anyone else getting sick of seeing the "Paul wants to be traded to the Knicks" yet?

Not really, its okay for him to have a preferred destination. But given the Knicks lack of assets I don't think he's going there in a trade.

If CP3 wants to go to the Knicks... he'll probably go to the KNicks.  They will have enough cap room to sign him next season. 

No they won't, even if they cut every player other than Melo/Amare they'll only have around 12-13 million in cap space. He'd have to take a huge pay cut to go there.

If that's what he wants, more power to him I guess.

[Moranis]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

Boston will not have the cap room to offer another max player not with Pierce at 17 million, Paul at 20 million, and all the other cap holds and/or lower dollar players on the roster (including Bradley and Johnson).

Assuming the trade took Jeff Green and one of our 2012 picks or current young guys with Rondo, and we didn't sign anyone to a big multi-year deal in the meantime, we'd have ~$18 mil to offer a free agent after resigning Paul to the max.  Dwight Howard would have to turn down Orlando's bigger hometown offer to join us, but he'd have to do that anyway if he wants to leave Orlando and they won't trade him.

And don't forget the amnesty card.  Pierce could be swept clean off the books if he's not carrying his weight.

That's not to say I'm crazy about the idea. 

I think Rondo is pretty well-respected around the league: he's got a ring, two all-star games under his belt and a lot of exposure from 4 consecutive significant playoff runs.  He's certainly less of a draw than CP3 or Deron Williams, but he also costs a lot less, and it's not like he's chopped liver to begin with.

Rondo, Pierce, a quartet of cheap young players (Bradley, JJ, our two 2012 picks), in addition to the well-regarded Jeff Green and/or cheaply retained twilight versions of Ray and KG should be very attractive to a free agent looking for a more competitive environment.  We won't be in a rebuilding mode (in this scenario the Big 3 will all be on hand as veteran support) and we won't have any albatross contracts (Rondo's a steal, Pierce can be amnestied if he falls off, Ray and KG would be on smaller, short-term deals).  Not a bad set-up.

Bradley and Johnson are going to be about 3 million, then you have the two picks next year, at least another 2 million, Pierce at just under 17 million, CP3 would be probably something like 18 million, then you have to have cap holds at minimums to get to a roster of 10 (those are about 500k each), so you are looking at a minimum salary at about 42 million.  That is not enough under the cap to get another max deal.  Now if Paul took less money then you would be closer.

Pierce and CP3 would be approximately 34 million just in themselves. Then 10 roster holds will be 5 million total, so if they gut everything they'd have 39 million committed. That would give them roughly 19 million in cap space, so its doable but its extremely tight and an unlikely scenario in the end.

The only way you get the minimum with the cap holds is if you trade Bradley, Johnson, and the two firsts and get no salary in return.

[Fafnir]

The only way you get the minimum with the cap holds is if you trade Bradley, Johnson, and the two firsts and get no salary in return.

Yup, but it can and has been done in the past. I don't think they're likely to slash and burn that much but it is possible.

[Celtics18]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

[PosImpos]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

[BballTim]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

  So fighting to win 43-44 games with Paul at about $9M more is preferable?

[Celtics18]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

He is a premier talent.  That's what makes him such a bargain.

[jdpapa3]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but if Chris Paul is traded to us next week, do we get his bird rights and the ability to offer him the most amount of $ possible if we let him get to FA? I think we'd have to pull the trigger in this scenario and make it clear we will not do a S&T under and circumstances.

I'm fairly sure I've seen around that the Hornets would be able to offer him $100 mil and other teams a maximum of $76 mil. Can someone help me out?

[PosImpos]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

  So fighting to win 43-44 games with Paul at about $9M more is preferable?

Indeed, because you wouldnt need to put as much talent around cp3 to win 50 games.


Rondo is a very talented player, but he's not a premier player in the sense that he's not a player who can carry a team on a nightly basis.  Thats not his game.  He needs scorers he can set up.

[Kane3387]

Does anyone know what the rest of the free agent class of 2012 looks like after cp3, d12, and d will?

[Moranis]

Does anyone know what the rest of the free agent class of 2012 looks like after cp3, d12, and d will?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

[clover]

Does anyone know what the rest of the free agent class of 2012 looks like after cp3, d12, and d will?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

The way things have been going it would be the '13 FAs demanding a trade a year early to look out for.  (Though I don't know how much the C's would have to trade next year.)

[BballTim]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

  So fighting to win 43-44 games with Paul at about $9M more is preferable?

Indeed, because you wouldnt need to put as much talent around cp3 to win 50 games.


Rondo is a very talented player, but he's not a premier player in the sense that he's not a player who can carry a team on a nightly basis.  Thats not his game.  He needs scorers he can set up.

  Paul didn't even lead his team in scoring last year. Someone who finished 40th in the league in scoring isn't really a premier scorer. He scored less than Ray did, and I don't think people would say Ray carried the team in scoring on a nightly basis last year. Clearly you'd need to surround CP3 with a scorer or or two to get up to 50 wins.

  Rondo won't carry a team with scoring on a nightly basis (although he's clearly capable of scoring more than he does) but his impact on an offense can be the same as players that score more points than he does.

[dtrader]

The team that trades for CP3 now will be able to offer him an extra year and $20+ million more dollars than any other team (using Bird rights). That's why you trade for him now. Do you really think he's going to leave that kind of money sitting on the table? Especially when Boston will have the cap room for another high salary/max player?

And of course CP3 won't sign an extension. He wants a Bird rights max contract, not an extension.

  You're ready to give a point guard with possible knee issues who's been in the league for 6 years and has won 1 playoff series in his career $20+ million a year? Yikes.

Uh. Yes. As is every team in the entire league, apart from maybe the team that has Deron Williams.

I would hope that the team who has a point guard who is right there with those guys (and has two good knees) signed for the next four seasons for about $11.5 million per year would pass on that deal.

Look around, Rajon Rondo's deal is about the best value for the money in the NBA right now.  With the limitations of the new CBA, I don't know why in the world we would trade him in for a point guard with questionable knees who is either going to walk at the end of the year or cost $8.5 million more per season.

I'm sticking with our guy if I'm Danny Ainge.

the fact that Rondo's contract is a great bargain won't matter much if he's our best player in two years and we're fighting to win 40 games and make the playoffs.

in other words, having a premier talent to build around is more important than having the best bargain contracts.

  So fighting to win 43-44 games with Paul at about $9M more is preferable?

Indeed, because you wouldnt need to put as much talent around cp3 to win 50 games.


Rondo is a very talented player, but he's not a premier player in the sense that he's not a player who can carry a team on a nightly basis.  Thats not his game.  He needs scorers he can set up.

  Paul didn't even lead his team in scoring last year. Someone who finished 40th in the league in scoring isn't really a premier scorer. He scored less than Ray did, and I don't think people would say Ray carried the team in scoring on a nightly basis last year. Clearly you'd need to surround CP3 with a scorer or or two to get up to 50 wins.

  Rondo won't carry a team with scoring on a nightly basis (although he's clearly capable of scoring more than he does) but his impact on an offense can be the same as players that score more points than he does.

Paul might not have led his team in scoring last year, but last year was his career low in points per game.  He did average 22 a game in the playoffs though.  Plus, you normally wouldnt expect your teams point guard to lead the team in scoring.  CP3 is capable in leading his team in scoring every night, but like Rondo...he's a distributer whose impact goes beyond the scoring directly attributed to him.  The thing is, that CP CAN carry his teams offense himself when necessary.  If the team is rolling, he'll just distribute.  When they need points, he can take over and create his own offense (and a lot of it).