Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

[Eja117]

Also let's not kid ourselves. If there was a kid actively praising Allah and Muhammed or Yahweh SNL would never have the guts to do a comparable skit. Never.

It's not a matter of guts, it's that mocking the minority is never as comically effective as mocking the majority.

It's just that SNL keeps showing they aren't very concerned with being comically effective.

To you. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046719.html

That's cheating. Barkley on an average day is way funnier than the entire SNL cast. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut

[KCattheStripe]

Also let's not kid ourselves. If there was a kid actively praising Allah and Muhammed or Yahweh SNL would never have the guts to do a comparable skit. Never.

It's not a matter of guts, it's that mocking the minority is never as comically effective as mocking the majority.

It's just that SNL keeps showing they aren't very concerned with being comically effective.

To you. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046719.html

That Barkley epi was pretty funny though. The Barkley translator and the TNT skit were both just awesome. Pass on the lord windemere and lesbian skits though.

True but people don't start out watching a show because the sketches are funny, they tune in because the past couple weeks of sketches have been funny. I actually liked "White People Problems."

[Eja117]

Not sure what it all means but its hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5OAGHXc1ZU&feature=player_embedded

I'm in a public place and watched muted, but I initially agree that was very funny

[KCattheStripe]

That's cheating. Barkley on an average day is way funnier than the entire SNL cast.

To you.

[indeedproceed]

Also let's not kid ourselves. If there was a kid actively praising Allah and Muhammed or Yahweh SNL would never have the guts to do a comparable skit. Never.

It's not a matter of guts, it's that mocking the minority is never as comically effective as mocking the majority.

It's just that SNL keeps showing they aren't very concerned with being comically effective.

To you. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046719.html

That Barkley epi was pretty funny though. The Barkley translator and the TNT skit were both just awesome. Pass on the lord windemere and lesbian skits though.

True but people don't start out watching a show because the sketches are funny, they tune in because the past couple weeks of sketches have been funny. I actually liked "White People Problems."

I was thinking of the other sketches. White people problems was also hilarious.

[KCattheStripe]

Also let's not kid ourselves. If there was a kid actively praising Allah and Muhammed or Yahweh SNL would never have the guts to do a comparable skit. Never.

It's not a matter of guts, it's that mocking the minority is never as comically effective as mocking the majority.

It's just that SNL keeps showing they aren't very concerned with being comically effective.

To you. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046719.html

That Barkley epi was pretty funny though. The Barkley translator and the TNT skit were both just awesome. Pass on the lord windemere and lesbian skits though.

True but people don't start out watching a show because the sketches are funny, they tune in because the past couple weeks of sketches have been funny. I actually liked "White People Problems."

I was thinking of the other sketches. White people problems was also hilarious.

I thought the Adult Video in Memorioum took the easy route with some of the names, but it was such a hilarious concept I didn't mind.

[Fafnir]

It's the double standards that bother me.

Here's another double standard that bothers me. Kyle Orton and I think Brady Quinn fined Tebow every week for not speaking out against that big billboard that was urging the team to start him. Aparently they thought it was Tebow's job to tell fans not to express their opinion.  See to me Tebow should have fined Kyle Orton for being a loser.
http://www.newsoxy.com/sports/tebow-fined-47038.html

Double Standard:

: A rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups:

Just because you don't like what Orton/Quinn thought about how Tebow dealt with the billboard doesn't make it a double standard.

Considering that your whole thrust is a hypothetical double standard to begin with I doubt you'll agree with the definition though.

So you think if someone put up a "Start Brady Quinn" board this week Tebow would have fined him and should have been able to?

Of course nobody does. Because there are double standards being applied to Tebow.

People want us to think he's the Forest Gump of sports just sorta tumbling into major playoff wins.  The rest of us know that isn't accurate.

So your argument is *insert random hypothetical* thus its a double standard?

Okay..........

Its not a double standard if there isn't a difference in how a rule or standard is applied. You can't just say "if the situation was reversed I decided that in my head I imagine it would go differently thus DOUBLE STANDARD".

Just say it was a crappy thing of Orton/Quinn to do if thats what you think.

People want us to think he's the Forest Gump of sports just sorta tumbling into major playoff wins.  The rest of us know that isn't accurate.

Funny I've never heard people say that, but hey people actually saying things you rail against has never been a condition for you railing against it.

Lots of people say they don't think he can be a high level NFL QB long term, they don't think he's a good enough passer to succeed at the NFL level consistently.

I don't think anyone has implied he's a movie character who serendpity alone has allowed to become a NFL player.

[indeedproceed]

Also let's not kid ourselves. If there was a kid actively praising Allah and Muhammed or Yahweh SNL would never have the guts to do a comparable skit. Never.

It's not a matter of guts, it's that mocking the minority is never as comically effective as mocking the majority.

It's just that SNL keeps showing they aren't very concerned with being comically effective.

To you. http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00046719.html

That Barkley epi was pretty funny though. The Barkley translator and the TNT skit were both just awesome. Pass on the lord windemere and lesbian skits though.

True but people don't start out watching a show because the sketches are funny, they tune in because the past couple weeks of sketches have been funny. I actually liked "White People Problems."

I was thinking of the other sketches. White people problems was also hilarious.

I thought the Adult Video in Memorioum took the easy route with some of the names, but it was such a hilarious concept I didn't mind.

I think SNL has the '+15' disease right now. Seems like every sketch lasts 15 seconds too long. Like the Mayan Calender sketch?

Drunk uncle though, AMIRITE? SOOOOOOO Funny.

[Fafnir]

I think SNL has the '+15' disease right now. Seems like every sketch lasts 15 seconds too long. Like the Mayan Calender sketch?

Drunk uncle though, AMIRITE? SOOOOOOO Funny.

The peril of all sketch comedy is that you stretch a joke/concept too far.

[nickagneta]

My black/white difference/double standard I think is at least a bit more able to be proven than that there exists a double standard regarding making fun of Tebow.

With any person, whether in the public or not, there are going to be people who like you and not like you. There will be people that laud what you do and who you are and people who criticize you. That's not a double standard, that's just taste.

Some people like Tebow and those that do REALLLLLLLLLLY like him. Then there are people who don't like him and criticize him. Then there are people on television that get paid to critique people, like sports commentators. That again is not a double standard.

But when the standard is that when there is an unconventional running quarterback, almost all of which have been black, comes around you make a story about it and then go onto the next story but that when a white, super-public Christian running quarterback comes around and he dominates the sports horizon for an entire year even though he hasn't preformed any better or worse than those other black running QBs, that to me suggests that the white running QB is getting preferential media treatment and that a double standard does exist IN HIS FAVOR.

Most of the people who watch television and who drive ratings in this country are white Christians. That's just simple numbers. So the media gets a story that will appeal to them, and they run with it. Driving ratings in regard to certain markets is all about racial preference, unfortunately. Movies and television shows and even entire networks are driven by what race they are creating their product for because different races prefer different things, usually things that they can associate with because of racial similarities. That's Sociology 101.

So as much as you think Tebow is being given a double standard against him, I say he is disliked simply because there are going to be people who dislike you. But the manner in which the media trats him I think is definitely a double standard in his favor and should not be discounted by those who adore Tim Tebow.

[Moranis]

Mocking Tebow is not the same thing as mocking Christianity.  I just don't see how people don't get this.  

Troy Palamalu prays after every single PLAY every single game.  No mocking of him or his faith (which is coincidentally Christianity).

I'm pretty sure Troy doesn't kneel after every play, and in between celebrating Super Bowl wins with a rapist or his squeaky clean USC buddies I never heard Troy thank God and I'm not aware of him going to the Philipines to do missionary work.

I'm well aware Troy is a good guy. Nick brought up a certain black/white difference. Now let's see. Are there any differences between the two?

He crosses his chest all the time, especially when he is on the play.  Every interview he does he mentions God and his faith, though he isn't nearly outward with his faith as Tebow (which is one of the reasons Tebow is mocked and Troy isn't).

And it has been out with Troy for a long time.  Here is an article about his faith from 2006 http://www.pittsburghcatholic.org/newsarticles_more.phtml?id=1746

Here is one from January 2011 which talks a great deal about his faith, including the 40 day period preceding Christmas where he fasts and abstains from sex.  And mentions he is famous for crossing himself on the field and is always praying on the sideline.  http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11007/1116221-455.stm

The reality is you don't know about Troy because he doesn't put his faith out there like Tim does.  Tim wants you to know what he believes and his fans are rabid and borderline crazy.  That leads to mocking, especially when your football skills don't match the hype and publicity you get.

[Eja117]

It's the double standards that bother me.

Here's another double standard that bothers me. Kyle Orton and I think Brady Quinn fined Tebow every week for not speaking out against that big billboard that was urging the team to start him. Aparently they thought it was Tebow's job to tell fans not to express their opinion.  See to me Tebow should have fined Kyle Orton for being a loser.
http://www.newsoxy.com/sports/tebow-fined-47038.html

Double Standard:

: A rule or principle that is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups:

Just because you don't like what Orton/Quinn thought about how Tebow dealt with the billboard doesn't make it a double standard.

Considering that your whole thrust is a hypothetical double standard to begin with I doubt you'll agree with the definition though.

So you think if someone put up a "Start Brady Quinn" board this week Tebow would have fined him and should have been able to?

Of course nobody does. Because there are double standards being applied to Tebow.

People want us to think he's the Forest Gump of sports just sorta tumbling into major playoff wins.  The rest of us know that isn't accurate.

So your argument is *insert random hypothetical* thus its a double standard?

Okay..........

Its not a double standard if there isn't a difference in how a rule or standard is applied. You can't just say "if the situation was reversed I decided that in my head I imagine it would go differently thus DOUBLE STANDARD".

Just say it was a crappy thing of Orton/Quinn to do if thats what you think.

People want us to think he's the Forest Gump of sports just sorta tumbling into major playoff wins.  The rest of us know that isn't accurate.

Funny I've never heard people say that, but hey people actually saying things you rail against has never been a condition for you railing against it.

Lots of people say they don't think he can be a high level NFL QB long term, they don't think he's a good enough passer to succeed at the NFL level consistently.

I don't think anyone has implied he's a movie character who serendpity alone has allowed to become a NFL player.

You now what Faf? You're absolutely right. Nobody has actually stated or implied he is a movie character. I'm glad you reigned me in on this one. We need to be very concrete today with only things that have happened and been said. 

[Eja117]

My black/white difference/double standard I think is at least a bit more able to be proven than that there exists a double standard regarding making fun of Tebow.

With any person, whether in the public or not, there are going to be people who like you and not like you. There will be people that laud what you do and who you are and people who criticize you. That's not a double standard, that's just taste.

Some people like Tebow and those that do REALLLLLLLLLLY like him. Then there are people who don't like him and criticize him. Then there are people on television that get paid to critique people, like sports commentators. That again is not a double standard.

But when the standard is that when there is an unconventional running quarterback, almost all of which have been black, comes around you make a story about it and then go onto the next story but that when a white, super-public Christian running quarterback comes around and he dominates the sports horizon for an entire year even though he hasn't preformed any better or worse than those other black running QBs, that to me suggests that the white running QB is getting preferential media treatment and that a double standard does exist IN HIS FAVOR.

Most of the people who watch television and who drive ratings in this country are white Christians. That's just simple numbers. So the media gets a story that will appeal to them, and they run with it. Driving ratings in regard to certain markets is all about racial preference, unfortunately. Movies and television shows and even entire networks are driven by what race they are creating their product for because different races prefer different things, usually things that they can associate with because of racial similarities. That's Sociology 101.

So as much as you think Tebow is being given a double standard against him, I say he is disliked simply because there are going to be people who dislike you. But the manner in which the media trats him I think is definitely a double standard in his favor and should not be discounted by those who adore Tim Tebow.

You're absolutely right Tebow isn't being treated like a black running QB. If he were he would have been picked #1 overall and would have nike commercials by now

[Eja117]

Mocking Tebow is not the same thing as mocking Christianity.  I just don't see how people don't get this.  

Troy Palamalu prays after every single PLAY every single game.  No mocking of him or his faith (which is coincidentally Christianity).

I'm pretty sure Troy doesn't kneel after every play, and in between celebrating Super Bowl wins with a rapist or his squeaky clean USC buddies I never heard Troy thank God and I'm not aware of him going to the Philipines to do missionary work.

I'm well aware Troy is a good guy. Nick brought up a certain black/white difference. Now let's see. Are there any differences between the two?

He crosses his chest all the time, especially when he is on the play.  Every interview he does he mentions God and his faith, though he isn't nearly outward with his faith as Tebow (which is one of the reasons Tebow is mocked and Troy isn't).

And it has been out with Troy for a long time.  Here is an article about his faith from 2006 http://www.pittsburghcatholic.org/newsarticles_more.phtml?id=1746

Here is one from January 2011 which talks a great deal about his faith, including the 40 day period preceding Christmas where he fasts and abstains from sex.  And mentions he is famous for crossing himself on the field and is always praying on the sideline.  http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11007/1116221-455.stm

The reality is you don't know about Troy because he doesn't put his faith out there like Tim does.  Tim wants you to know what he believes and his fans are rabid and borderline crazy.  That leads to mocking, especially when your football skills don't match the hype and publicity you get.

So basically Troy is a good little Christian that keeps his mouth shut.  So yeah the media probably won't make fun of him, because he doesn't challenge the status quo.

[indeedproceed]

So basically Troy is a good little Christian that keeps his mouth shut.  So yeah the media probably won't make fun of him, because he doesn't challenge the status quo.

That's a condescending misrepresentation of what Moranis said, and comments like that are gonna get this thread locked in a real hurry. Official heads up.