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Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?

Yes, for him, because he's a Jesus guy
15 (26.3%)
Yes, against him, because he's a Jesus guy
13 (22.8%)
No. He's being treated fairly
7 (12.3%)
Yes,against him, because he was drafted high
2 (3.5%)
Yes against him, because he's making NFL types and talent evaluators look dumb.
2 (3.5%)
Yes, for him, because he's an underdog breaking the rules
8 (14%)
Other - explain
2 (3.5%)
Tebow defies all explanation. Don't even try.
8 (14%)

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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2012, 06:13:22 PM »

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Considering the number of young white QBs whose excellent performances were ignored this season, I don't see how race is the differentiator. The difference is the drama of the comebacks, that he runs like a fullback (not like a halfback), his embarrassing throwing technique, and the winning streak.

Cam Newton had plenty of hype until Tebow started his side-show. Stafford on the other hand got no headlines despite being younger than Tebow, tearing it up, and bring success to a joke of a franchise.

Tebow's NFL prospects were very controversial coming out of college to a degree rarely matched.

You are definitely right about Stafford (and Newton, for that matter). I saw that the Lions had a good defense and were playing well, but had no idea how well Stafford was playing until the end of the season (5038 yards and 41 TDs) - honestly, that is one of the best statistical seasons ever put up by a QB and he really didn't get any attention.

Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2012, 06:44:31 PM »

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Some things do go deeper than race.

To me, the Tebow controversy is deeper than race. Tebow (and DEN) were just supposed to keel over and let PIT run over them, and DEN (and Tebow) decided to fight.

The will to fight goes deeper than race.
Who Tim Tebow is certainly goes deeper than his race. On a human level, he's a role model and in my opinion as genuine as it gets. In the face of all of the craziness around him, Tebow has been consistent.

However, race is a factor in how he's received by the public as is his religion. It had nothing to do with how he has played, but it's part of the hype around him. From a media standpoint he has been given more attention than his play on the field has warranted. Just in that there's a double standard as to how he's been treated. Depending on who it is, he's criticized more or celebrated more than others. His career is under a finer microscope. So the real question is why is that? Why is Tim Tebow treated differently than others?

I think his race and his religion are a part of that equation.
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« Reply #122 on: January 13, 2012, 11:11:34 AM »

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Pretty funny stuff and I'm not a big Fallon fan either.

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Re: Is there a Tebow double standard, and if so what is it?
« Reply #123 on: January 13, 2012, 11:34:50 AM »

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That is hilarious. Jimmy Fallon: wicked funny as long as there is music involved.

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« Reply #124 on: January 13, 2012, 12:02:21 PM »

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My question is this:

If there were an African-American quarterback named Khalid Al-Amin who did EXACTLY the same things Tebow has done: Same stats, played the exactly same way and had the same wins and losses. The difference being that this gentleman was as openly Muslim as Tebow is Christian. How would America react to him then?

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« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2012, 12:07:29 PM »

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How is one 'openly muslim'? You mean like changing your name, talking about it candidly and openly?

Because if that's the description, Cassius clay and lew Alcindor both kinda already did it...and in a remarkably less tolerant time.

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« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2012, 12:13:43 PM »

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My question is this:

If there were an African-American quarterback named Khalid Al-Amin who did EXACTLY the same things Tebow has done: Same stats, played the exactly same way and had the same wins and losses. The difference being that this gentleman was as openly Muslim as Tebow is Christian. How would America react to him then?

I think this country would be considerably more tolerant towards such a QB now than a few years ago. Things aren't perfect by a stretch, but he'd be well-received.

The bottom line? Does he lead, and does he win? The other issues would certainly be discussion (and unfortunately - ridiculed at times).....but in the long run would he have DEN in the same spot as Tebow does now?

If the answer is yes, then IMO he would be well-received.

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« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2012, 12:21:16 PM »

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Apparently Katy Perry's parents want her to date Tebow.

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« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2012, 12:23:59 PM »

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By open I mean: Praising Allah for victories and his success, Being seen praying to Allah for strength during games, publicly advocating issues important to Muslims: Statehood for Palestine, Moving US troops out of the Arab world, removal of dicatorial regimes from Arab states. Things of that nature.

Basically wearing his Islamic religon on his sleeve as Tebow wears his Christianity.

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« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2012, 01:06:11 PM »

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By open I mean: Praising Allah for victories and his success, Being seen praying to Allah for strength during games, publicly advocating issues important to Muslims: Statehood for Palestine, Moving US troops out of the Arab world, removal of dicatorial regimes from Arab states. Things of that nature.

Basically wearing his Islamic religon on his sleeve as Tebow wears his Christianity.
Interesting question. It would be a very different dynamic, that's for sure. QB Al-Amin would be talked about non-stop on talk-radio. There'd be a lot of controversy.
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« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2012, 01:24:58 PM »

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By open I mean: Praising Allah for victories and his success, Being seen praying to Allah for strength during games, publicly advocating issues important to Muslims: Statehood for Palestine, Moving US troops out of the Arab world, removal of dicatorial regimes from Arab states. Things of that nature.

Basically wearing his Islamic religon on his sleeve as Tebow wears his Christianity.

I think that's a different dynamic, ctrey.

What you speak of in the post I quoted from you moves into the political realm, IMO.

Tebow, to my knowledge, has not moved into that sphere, but he is still a man of faith. I do know that Faith and Politics merge at times, but from what I've read up on with Tebow he hasn't done that.

I think, right now - he is just trying to be an humble man of faith and move his team past New England.

But - I know of some Muslims that did not do some of the things that you spoke of - now, and even when I was in the service. One lady used to cut my hair, but out of all the times did it she never spoke of the things you speak of.

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« Reply #131 on: January 13, 2012, 01:34:46 PM »

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By open I mean: Praising Allah for victories and his success, Being seen praying to Allah for strength during games, publicly advocating issues important to Muslims: Statehood for Palestine, Moving US troops out of the Arab world, removal of dicatorial regimes from Arab states. Things of that nature.

Basically wearing his Islamic religon on his sleeve as Tebow wears his Christianity.

I think that's a different dynamic, ctrey.

What you speak of in the post I quoted from you moves into the political realm, IMO.

Tebow, to my knowledge, has not moved into that sphere, but he is still a man of faith. I do know that Faith and Politics merge at times, but from what I've read up on with Tebow he hasn't done that.
You haven't read enough I guess?

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« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2012, 02:07:45 PM »

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By open I mean: Praising Allah for victories and his success, Being seen praying to Allah for strength during games, publicly advocating issues important to Muslims: Statehood for Palestine, Moving US troops out of the Arab world, removal of dicatorial regimes from Arab states. Things of that nature.

Basically wearing his Islamic religon on his sleeve as Tebow wears his Christianity.

I think that's a different dynamic, ctrey.

What you speak of in the post I quoted from you moves into the political realm, IMO.

Tebow, to my knowledge, has not moved into that sphere, but he is still a man of faith. I do know that Faith and Politics merge at times, but from what I've read up on with Tebow he hasn't done that.
You haven't read enough I guess?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-cbs-air-controversial/story?id=9667638#.TxB5LW9rPHY

Interesting read. But the first thing I noted was that the article was from Jan 26 2010?

That's almost 2 years ago.

I mean - is it a firestorm right now?

Apparently, even with this "political" stand, he still garners much respect.

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« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2012, 02:13:03 PM »

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The ad was to be put forth during the 2010 Superbowl. I just wanted to point out that he's no stranger to publicly advocating concepts that are inherently political.
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« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2012, 02:54:19 PM »

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In addition to that add, there are politicians that are speaking to his people for his endorsement and to campaign for them.

He has been involved politically in the past and his very outspoken promotion of his religous beliefs have, in todays America become political because of the intertwining of politics and religon that has become commonplace.