JaJuan or BBD?

[Yogi]

   People say that.  I know it's a real popular opinion that Big Baby is selfish, but I don't think it's true.  I watched every game he played last year, and he very rarely took an ill-advised shots.  He took a lot of wide open jumpers because of the attention the Big 4 especially off the pick and pop with Rondo or Ray.  He was also the go to guy in the second unit.  Doc doesn't give minutes to selfish players.  He played poorly, maybe the contract year messed with his head too much.  He's a young player who's still learning in the NBA. 
   The only other person to call Big Baby selfish is Shaq.  He's a guy that says whatever people want to hear.  He's openly admitted making up stuff.  I think someone actually disproved what he claimed about Baby with video analysis.

[ben]

BBD is definitely selfish, a black hole, and truly poor defensively. 

[BASS_THUMPER]

baby will go after the rock..he hustles

[dmny5000]

BBD has the rep of being selfish because he never passes to the open man. If he gets the ball he's more than likely taking it. I agree that a lot of his shots are wide open mid range but the rest can be pretty bad.

I don't care at all what Shaq says and I think his book is a nice work of fiction. Anything to get people to buy it.

There was at least one game last season that he made a very selfish play. We had the ball down 3 I believe and we had plenty of time and Baby was left open for 3 since he doesn't have that kind of range. He took the shot instead of running the play cause he wanted to be the hero. I've never seen Doc more visibly p---ed off at a player since he's been here.

I also watched every game this year and since he's been in the NBA. The first several years were all great but then this year not so much. I think he always took a good number of bad shots but this year it stood out cause he missed more of them. He wasn't attacking the basket as much and he was talking a lot of contested fadeaways.

He plays very hard but he could be better if he wasn't trying to prove himself all the time.

[ballin]

BDD is absolutely terrible. Like several of the other posters, I've also seen just about every game Glen Davis has played since he came into the league. My thoughts:

on defense:
-too short to guard centers. is ALWAYS abused in post-up situations, and can't rebound to save his [dang] life. (think: 2010 finals where Pau destroyed BBD and got about a million offensive rebounds over his fat head, causing us to lose the game)
-too fat and slow to guard anybody else

on offense:
-once upon a time (for about one season) BBD wasn't super terrible on offense because he wasn't afraid to take the ball inside and get a good shot. but then once people figured his game out, he proceeded to completely suck balls by leading the league in % of his shots blocked by the other team (something absurd like 17%. nobody else was even close). after that traumatizing experience, BBD just began jacking open midrange jumpshots. Wouldn't be too terrible, except for the fact that: 1) BBD can't hit this wide open shots at even a respectable rate. it's why he's left open from that spot, just like Rondo 2) long 2's are the least efficient shots in the game.
-which brings us to present day BBD, who is the least efficient scorer on the entire team. this is a fact (excluding total scrubs, of course).

If you're bad on defense, and you're bad on offense, you're officially just a bad player. BBD is clearly below average in both categories, and it's my opinion that just about anybody is an improvement over him. Even players that are considered bad usually have at least one discernible skill that's above average. Glen Davis has none.

[Yogi]

ballin
   Pau Gasol was covered almost exclusively by KG and Rasheed Wallace.  WARNING, painful memories ahead...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfaxusuEIcI
   Baby is actually a very good defender.  He was voted as one of the best sixth men in the league by the NBA coaches.  He's an excellent defender.  His steal and charges drawn are very impressive for his position and they're way better than a block.  His block numbers are not too bad for a guy with his vertical and size either.  Last year, when he played with the Big 4 they outscored their opposition more than any other 5 in the league.  Even better than we did with Shaq or Perk. 
   He's strong enough to play against NBA centers.  How many centers do you know that have respectable shots?  He uses his strength to keep them away from the basket, and uses his quickness feet to take charges and steals.  He did a respectable job on Dwight Howard and even Stoudemire.  He does have trouble covering long power forwards, like Dirk but we didn't have any other options when KG was out.  This year we will have more options at PF with JaJuan Johnson, Jeff Green even Jermaine O'Neal.  You maybe spoiled by the efficiency of the Big 4, but most bench players in the league are not efficient scorers.  If they were, they would be starting.  Glen Davis is a lot better player than a lot of NBA players even some starters. 

[EJPLAYA]

baby will go after the rock..he hustles

BBD lately only hustles after thirds at the all you can eat chicken wing buffet...

[dmny5000]

The only reason he was even remotely close to being considered for sixth man is because he played 29 minutes per game last season. I'm not saying he's not a good player at all. He's a very good bench player but I don't like the lack of ball movement sometimes.

He settles way too much now for tough jumpers when he used to attack more. Maybe it's cause he dislikes getting blocked so much, I don't know. He's solid but any player puts up good numbers in 29 minutes a game. My argument is that he's bad for the team with the way he plays.

I think Jajuan as skinny as he is can come in and play just as good if given 29 minutes. He has a better J and more talent. Like I said Glen is a good player and I would like to have him back but not if it breaks the bank.

He took charges early in the season then stopped the last few months. He's always been good at taking charges but why did he stop? I didn't look at numbers but watching the games I got that impression. The problem with his defense is that he's too short and too slow. He knows where to be but if he gets there they score over him too much.

[chambers]

Big Baby has proven himself in the NBA. He's been in a 3 man race for 6th man of the year twice in his short career.
He's been thrown under the bus by Celtics fans after a pretty unflattering season/playoffs last year and people have quickly forgotten how important he has been to our team over the last 4 years and how we probably wouldn't get to the 2010 finals without him..(heck we almost made the 2009 finals with him instead of KG).
What has JJ done? Sweet butter nothing.
JJ deserves a chance, but with our core veterans on their last legs and last year(s) of their Celtics contracts, I'd be rolling the rice on the proven Davis and not a rookie.
Would love to be proven wrong but you are dreaming if you think JJ can come in and replace even 60% of what BBD has given us the past few years.

[clover]

It'll be a great first year for 3J, whenever that first year is, if he can end the season as the backup at the 4.  The chances of him starting with that pressure and responsibility are virtually nil.

[riffic92]

I think it's as simple as
Short-term: BBD
Long-term: JaJuan, or [the next "PF of the future"]

If the C's are trying to contend they should stick with Big Baby, but his long-term future with the team isn't looking too good. Too much ego with a not very high ceiling doesn't bode well for him. The answer 5 years from now is more likely to be JaJuan than Big Baby, but it's not as black/white as that either. The answer could be 'none of the above'

[Roy H.]

   People say that.  I know it's a real popular opinion that Big Baby is selfish, but I don't think it's true.  I watched every game he played last year, and he very rarely took an ill-advised shots. 

I disagree.  He averaged 4.6 shot attempts per game from 16-to-23 feet, and hit those shots at a rate of 35%.  That's not an efficient use of offensive possessions.

Baby was much more efficient from 10-to-15 feet (43.7%), but he only attempted 1.1 shots per game from that range.  Similarly, he was good inside (63.1%), but only averaged 3.1 attempts at the rim per game. 

In other words, BBD took most of his shots from areas where he wasn't very good.  By its nature, I'd say those are ill-advised shots.

[chambers]

   People say that.  I know it's a real popular opinion that Big Baby is selfish, but I don't think it's true.  I watched every game he played last year, and he very rarely took an ill-advised shots. 

I disagree.  He averaged 4.6 shot attempts per game from 16-to-23 feet, and hit those shots at a rate of 35%.  That's not an efficient use of offensive possessions.

Baby was much more efficient from 10-to-15 feet (43.7%), but he only attempted 1.1 shots per game from that range.  Similarly, he was good inside (63.1%), but only averaged 3.1 attempts at the rim per game. 

In other words, BBD took most of his shots from areas where he wasn't very good.  By its nature, I'd say those are ill-advised shots.

Is there a stat that shows how many of those were in the last 5 seconds of a shot clock period?
In my own mind he seems to have taken a large portion of bail out shots as the last option from 16-20 feet- similarly to Rondo.

[Roy H.]

   People say that.  I know it's a real popular opinion that Big Baby is selfish, but I don't think it's true.  I watched every game he played last year, and he very rarely took an ill-advised shots. 

I disagree.  He averaged 4.6 shot attempts per game from 16-to-23 feet, and hit those shots at a rate of 35%.  That's not an efficient use of offensive possessions.

Baby was much more efficient from 10-to-15 feet (43.7%), but he only attempted 1.1 shots per game from that range.  Similarly, he was good inside (63.1%), but only averaged 3.1 attempts at the rim per game. 

In other words, BBD took most of his shots from areas where he wasn't very good.  By its nature, I'd say those are ill-advised shots.

Is there a stat that shows how many of those were in the last 5 seconds of a shot clock period?
In my own mind he seems to have taken a large portion of bail out shots as the last option from 16-20 feet- similarly to Rondo.

24% of his shots were with 4 or fewer seconds left on the clock; he hit those shots at 35.6%. 

For comparison sake:

KG:  18% of shots with clock winding down; 44.5% shooting
Pierce:  13%; 43.4%
Allen:  14%; 46.3%
Green:  18%; 47.2%
Rondo:  17%; 37.0%

From a quick glance at those stats, it suggests that BBD shoots a slightly higher percentage of his shots with the clock winding down, and that he shoots those shots at a rate below that of his peers.  Defenses probably recognize this; the reason he's being left open is because he's a poor shooter.

[hwangjini_1]

   People say that.  I know it's a real popular opinion that Big Baby is selfish, but I don't think it's true.  I watched every game he played last year, and he very rarely took an ill-advised shots. 

I disagree.  He averaged 4.6 shot attempts per game from 16-to-23 feet, and hit those shots at a rate of 35%.  That's not an efficient use of offensive possessions.

Baby was much more efficient from 10-to-15 feet (43.7%), but he only attempted 1.1 shots per game from that range.  Similarly, he was good inside (63.1%), but only averaged 3.1 attempts at the rim per game. 

In other words, BBD took most of his shots from areas where he wasn't very good.  By its nature, I'd say those are ill-advised shots.

Is there a stat that shows how many of those were in the last 5 seconds of a shot clock period?
In my own mind he seems to have taken a large portion of bail out shots as the last option from 16-20 feet- similarly to Rondo.

24% of his shots were with 4 or fewer seconds left on the clock; he hit those shots at 35.6%. 

For comparison sake:

KG:  18% of shots with clock winding down; 44.5% shooting
Pierce:  13%; 43.4%
Allen:  14%; 46.3%
Green:  18%; 47.2%
Rondo:  17%; 37.0%

From a quick glance at those stats, it suggests that BBD shoots a slightly higher percentage of his shots with the clock winding down, and that he shoots those shots at a rate below that of his peers.  Defenses probably recognize this; the reason he's being left open is because he's a poor shooter.

nice stats and a nicely supported argument RH. tp. where did you get the stats from?