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JaJuan or BBD?
« on: November 13, 2011, 02:29:30 PM »

Offline KP43

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I will get straight to it: Should we give the backup 4 role to JaJuan Johnson or Glen Davis?

Why BigBaby: He knows the system.. and recently told us he would get in shape (i think he meant it, this time).. and, well, why not give him a new chance? we know he chocked last playoffs, but we also know how good he can be. he would provide the much needed bigman minutes that we need.

Why not BigBaby: most fans (or anyone with an OK iq) would say that he's DONE with the Celtics.. mostly because, nothing lasts forever, and he's been her like forever. No seriously, i think Doc is pretty much done with him, so is the fans.. and (far as i know) the players are done with him. he had a memorable 4 years here, but he's just taking way too many jumpers, doing mistakes in late games and hates to pass the ball.

Why JaJuan: He's young, atheltic, a hard worker and with Doc and the veterans, could develop a great game. He plays  defense on a fair level.. he could easy get 4-6 pts per game, only from Rondo-oops. He could also become a good rebounder, something that we're missing! The kid got nice moves, a nice post shot.. and, well, with KG as his mentor, he's gonna be great. I think that says a lot. (dont get me wrong, im not talking about a allstar player, but a difference maker when I use the word great.)

Why not JaJuan?: He's never played an NBA game before. Which means hes unexperienced, and we all know its hard to earn minutes with Doc, as a rookie.. Also, will he be able to step up when needed? What if KG get hurt? Will he play a better starting role than Glen Davis did last year?

The Breakdown: Glen Davis was close to win the sixth man award last season. And he knows the system. But is that really a good enough reason for us to sign a slefishness shooter of a bigman to a (probably) expensive deal?.. he wants to start, and he wants to be THE guy. Also, we could sign a decent center for that money (or sign and trade bigbaby). Personally, i think we should give Trey-J the backup job. (and sign someone at the Center position who could step up if KG/JaJuan got injured / sign a 3d option) I'm not sure that he will become the best backup PF in the league, but at least, he'll learn a LOT from playing with KG.

 I think hope he's worth the risk.. I would love to hear your thoughts!
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 02:40:48 PM »

Offline Chris

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I don't think we can "give" the backup PF position to Johnson.  That is asking WAY too much from him.  The C's need to have a suitable backup PF on this team other than Johnson, whether it is Davis or someone else...and if Johnson beats them out, then great.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 02:51:01 PM »

Offline Celtics4ever

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Any rook is going to have earn his stripes with Doc.

Davis is a free agent right?  No guarentee he will be here then folks.  Davis is the Incredible Bulk.  He is a classic tweener but has proved he can play in the NBA.  I am really not happy with his lack of rebounding and his shooting percentage.  Call me old fashioned by I like my post players to shoot higher than .44% from the field.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 03:26:14 PM »

Offline toine83

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Jajuan should be better than Davis in 2007-2008. His work ethic, and having KG as his mentor will make him a solid player for the bench
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 06:10:23 PM »

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athletically too JJ is off the charts compared to Baby.   
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 05:26:43 PM »

Offline TA9

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JaJuan>Baby
Yeah Baby may have experience compared to JaJuan.
But i would rather play an Athletic, Better Defensive, Better Rebounder. To make it short a better, CHEAPER player than overpaying a bag of sh*t like Baby.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 05:37:56 PM »

Offline greenpride32

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Love him or hate him, BBD has proven he can be a role player in the NBA.  JJ has't done squat in the NBA yet.  What percentage of draft picks can make an NBA team and rack up as many minutes as BBD or more in their first 3-4 seasons?  Not sure the answer, but it's not a very large number.  All first rounders come into the NBA with all the tools; that's why they're one of the top 30 players selected in a given year.  But so few make it.  Until JJ proves he can hang with NBA level competition it's unfair to compare him to any established NBA player.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 06:10:25 PM »

Offline mc34

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I'll start off by saying I think that we stole Johnson in the draft and he'll end up being a really solid player.

But there's no question who can help us more this season (or in 2012 - thanks Stern). I wonder if Baby would be willing to sign a 1 year deal to drive up his value. Awful 2nd half of last season, but before that he's been great for us, and a clutch playoff performer.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 06:13:52 PM »

Offline rocknrollforyoursoul

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Some people are favoring BBD because of his experience, but it's that experience that leads me to favor JaJuan. My experience with BBD is that he has more bad games than good ones, which is never a good formula, but especially not for a guy who's depended on so heavily. BBD's work ethic is clearly lacking, and I don't think he'll ever be satisfied as a backup -- and besides that, I've seen too many bad shots, missed rebounds and lack of defensive intimidation against opponents to want to see BBD stick around any longer. JaJuan's already a better shot blocker and rebounder, and with his height and leaping ability (and KG's mentoring) he has the opportunity to become an elite NBA defensive player. Boston also needs a scoring threat in the post, and BBD doesn't have an effective post game.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 06:25:15 PM »

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Good lord , BBD is past history ......he needs the BOOT , let him be someone elses problem child .......I'll take JAJAUN anyday .
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 06:44:47 PM »

Offline dmny5000

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If baby is cheap enough (which I doubt) then I would take both. I've seen Jajuan play a decent amount and I think his mid range game is better than Davis' too. He will also be better on the break. Also has the tools to be a great defensive player.

My concern is whether or not he can pick up the system quickly enough to get minutes. That and you really never know how a guy will fare against NBA talent. I personally think he was a steal and I think he can contribute now.

I pick Johnson but with a little hesitation cause BBD is proven to be a decent role player. If he wasn't so selfish it would be a tougher decision.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 07:01:27 PM »

Offline ben

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Jajuan!!!


who is bbd?
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 07:02:50 PM »

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Quote from: greenpride32 on November 14, 2011, 05:37:56 PM
Love him or hate him, BBD has proven he can be a role player in the NBA.  JJ has't done squat in the NBA yet.  What percentage of draft picks can make an NBA team and rack up as many minutes as BBD or more in their first 3-4 seasons?  Not sure the answer, but it's not a very large number.  All first rounders come into the NBA with all the tools; that's why they're one of the top 30 players selected in a given year.  But so few make it.  Until JJ proves he can hang with NBA level competition it's unfair to compare him to any established NBA player.

Hate him!
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 07:03:50 PM »

Offline Yogi

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   First of all, besides a couple of rough months to finish the last year, Baby has been excellent for the Celtics his whole career.  
   Whatever Jajuan Johnson's potential is, he won't be in the rotation whenever the season starts.  He still has an incredibly skinny core and lower body.  There are point guards in the NBA who will be able to push him around in the paint.  
   Baby is a very versatile player who can play the 4 or the 5 in the NBA.  He's been very durable and he is simply a must sign for the Celtics.  He can play with the Big 4 without missing a beat if JO goes down.  He has improved his numbers every year.  He will also most certainly be in running for the SMOY again next year.  
   We just can't replace him in free agency with a 3 million MLE.  There are not a lot of guys that can play both the 4 and the 5.  He (Along with Perk) also has more chemistry with the Big 4 than anyone in the league.  
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 07:15:32 PM »

Offline dmny5000

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Yogi the only problem is he's too selfish and everyone knows it. You could tell that ubuntu was out the window and he was in full contract mode last season. He even stopped taking charges toward the end.

He's a good player but he needs to play within the game. If he's forcing bad jumpers like he was towards the end of last season I don't want him. Sign a min vet instead.

If that's not enough I think he wants a big chunk of money. Danny wont overspend and I think if he doesn't then Glen will play for less with more minutes on a bad team. He just wants more attention than he will ever get here.

I would sign him for a decent price but I'm betting he wants way too much. Maybe he'll have a tough time getting what he wants and settle for less and resign. That would be great but I don't like players that sacrifice the team for a contract.
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