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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2011, 12:36:35 PM »

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Quote from: fairweatherfan on October 10, 2011, 11:56:12 AM
Quote from: greenpride32 on October 10, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
The more and more I think about it, why should the players, who are employees of the owners, get more than 50%?  It was 50% in the early 1990's and has been creeping up with every new CBA since. 

I haven't heard this before - got a source?  I was under the impression 57% had been around for a while.  It would surprise me if the 98 lockout had led to an increase in player BRI.

You're right. In the 1983 collective bargaining agreement that first ushered in a league salary cap the players union was guaranteed between 53 and 57 percent of basketball related income.
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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2011, 12:45:52 PM »

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If the owners are dead-set on a 50%/50% BRI split, the players could concede that but counter with a elimination of exemptions the owners get on discounting revenue.  An example of the types of revenue could include Wyc's recent TV deal paying him a 20% stake in CSNNE.

I think this could be a fair starting point for both sides.
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2011, 02:43:43 PM »

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Parties have arrived, let's get ready to rumble.

BTW: This might be a nit-picky beef, but why are these meetings starting around 3 pm?
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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2011, 03:06:00 PM »

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Quote from: StartOrien on October 10, 2011, 02:43:43 PM
BTW: This might be a nit-picky beef, but why are these meetings starting around 3 pm?

The meetings are in NYC, right? In NYC time, 3PM is really 9AM. Happy hour starts at 10-11PM, so the meeting should be over by then.

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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2011, 03:18:59 PM »

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Quote from: greenpride32 on October 10, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
The more and more I think about it, why should the players, who are employees of the owners, get more than 50%?

My opinion is because the players are the product here and they are not replaceable.  If they were just replaceable employees, then I would agree.
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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2011, 03:40:12 PM »

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Quote from: action781 on October 10, 2011, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: greenpride32 on October 10, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
The more and more I think about it, why should the players, who are employees of the owners, get more than 50%?

My opinion is because the players are the product here and they are not replaceable.  If they were just replaceable employees, then I would agree.

but, without the owners they have no league to play in...the whole "go to europe" has shown that the options/$$ is limited compared to the nba

in a way, the players are replaceable as they have a limited shelf life, while an owner can remain owner of that team far after they are retired....not to mention the owners deal with multiple other expenses like hotels,travel,food, arena etc. that benefit the players
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2011, 03:42:25 PM »

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Have not posted here in awhile but heres to hoping this gets done by tonight. Really missing the Celtics training camp news and all the good stuff.. Come on guys get this done.
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 03:45:23 PM »

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Quote from: cman88 on October 10, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
but, without the owners they have no league to play in...the whole "go to europe" has shown that the options/$$ is limited compared to the nba
A new league can be made.  It's prohibitively expensive and essentially untouchable right now, but that's only because everyone believes that the NBA can come to an agreement with the NBPA, and that's by far the path of least resistance. But if we lose this season and it looks like they will never come to an agreement, the idea of an alternative league will look less and less crazy with each passing day, set your watch and warrant on it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 03:52:15 PM »

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Quote from: Interceptor on October 10, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: cman88 on October 10, 2011, 03:40:12 PM
but, without the owners they have no league to play in...the whole "go to europe" has shown that the options/$$ is limited compared to the nba
A new league can be made.  It's prohibitively expensive and essentially untouchable right now, but that's only because everyone believes that the NBA can come to an agreement with the NBPA, and that's by far the path of least resistance. But if we lose this season and it looks like they will never come to an agreement, the idea of an alternative league will look less and less crazy with each passing day, set your watch and warrant on it.

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2011, 04:10:48 PM »

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Steve Nash:

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The NBA has experienced over 60 yrs of growth with new growth projected using the current model.

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After a banner year the players are still willing to GIVE the owners a higher percentage in good faith.

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Why are the owners unwilling to negotiate in good faith? As a player I apologize to the fans that we're in this position

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but we will not be taken advantage of. In our hearts we're desperate to play, in our minds we know better and are prepared to #standunited.

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Let us play

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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2011, 04:11:56 PM »

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A new league can't just be created overnight.  We as fans only care about the games played, but we don't appreciate or even care about all the work that goes on behind the scenes.

It's like buying a sparkling new iphone.  Nobody thinks about all the research, the prototypes, the patents, the legal issues with carriers, etc that goes on behind the scenes.  Sure anyone can just build a touch screen phone device.

A new league could be formed, but it would not be at the level of the NBA for several years.
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2011, 04:13:06 PM »

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This might be a shallow complaint, but it bothers me a little that most of these players have been relatively silent throughout this whole process (Nash hasn't been one) up until "judgment day" with the encouragement of Derek Fisher who started up a rather sophomoric hash tag campaign.

I know they do care, but its hard to take a 'let us play' campaign seriously when you've been silent to the public for months now.
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Re: CBA Judgment Day Thread
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2011, 04:14:12 PM »

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Quote from: bdm860 on October 10, 2011, 12:17:06 PM

Actually I don't know if this changes your opinion at all, but I don't believe the players are actually employees, I believe they're considered independent contractors.  Just like I (as well as the IRS) don't consider the band/singer/rapper an employee of their record label.  Same thing with athletes.  

As independent contractors they have the right to choose the terms to which they will work.  

You are right in the sense that the players are a union.  But they can't realy choose to work anywhere or for anyone.  It's a unique situation in which the NBA provides them with the best income opportunity, BY FAR.  If the players had other options we wouldn't be having all these negotiations.  
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2011, 04:15:15 PM »

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Big one!

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The NBA is reporting on its website that it's nearing an agreement with NBPA on a new, reduced version of mid-level exception.

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The mid-level exception is one part of system elements -- including luxury tax on salary cap, Bird Rights, etc. -- that must be agreed on.

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2011, 04:20:35 PM »

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