Define "building around". Why do they keep saying we can't build around Rondo?

[ACF]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otm4RusESNU

[indeedproceed]

That is interesting. So, one would imagine that overall PPP skews heavily towards the guy with KG and a legitimate center over the guy with some combination of Scola, Patterson, and Hayes.

  Lowry's opposing ppp (from 82games) was about .90. Rondo's opposing ppp from his rookie year (when his bigs were Perk battling plantar fascitis, Jefferson, Gomes and Scal) was .86.

Where are you getting this from? I can't see this at 82games. Are you calculating yourself?

[BballTim]

That is interesting. So, one would imagine that overall PPP skews heavily towards the guy with KG and a legitimate center over the guy with some combination of Scola, Patterson, and Hayes.

  Lowry's opposing ppp (from 82games) was about .90. Rondo's opposing ppp from his rookie year (when his bigs were Perk battling plantar fascitis, Jefferson, Gomes and Scal) was .86.

Where are you getting this from? I can't see this at 82games. Are you calculating yourself?

  Yes, calculating it myself. For possessions I used FGA + (.44 * FTA) + TO. divide points by that and get points per possession.

[StartOrien]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

[BballTim]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

[StartOrien]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

[indeedproceed]

That is interesting. So, one would imagine that overall PPP skews heavily towards the guy with KG and a legitimate center over the guy with some combination of Scola, Patterson, and Hayes.

  Lowry's opposing ppp (from 82games) was about .90. Rondo's opposing ppp from his rookie year (when his bigs were Perk battling plantar fascitis, Jefferson, Gomes and Scal) was .86.

Where are you getting this from? I can't see this at 82games. Are you calculating yourself?

  Yes, calculating it myself. For possessions I used FGA + (.44 * FTA) + TO. divide points by that and get points per possession.

You're not factoring in assists at all?

[KCattheStripe]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

[BballTim]

That is interesting. So, one would imagine that overall PPP skews heavily towards the guy with KG and a legitimate center over the guy with some combination of Scola, Patterson, and Hayes.

  Lowry's opposing ppp (from 82games) was about .90. Rondo's opposing ppp from his rookie year (when his bigs were Perk battling plantar fascitis, Jefferson, Gomes and Scal) was .86.

Where are you getting this from? I can't see this at 82games. Are you calculating yourself?

  Yes, calculating it myself. For possessions I used FGA + (.44 * FTA) + TO. divide points by that and get points per possession.

You're not factoring in assists at all?

  I didn't in this. It's hard to really account for them, unless you count an assist as two points. That would work in comparing point guards, but break down if you compared a pg to another position. FWIW, Rondo's opponents (last year and his rookie year) have fewer assists/48 than Lowry or CP3 (this year or his all-defense 1st team season).

[BballTim]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

  This debate goes round and round. You need a talent to win titles, no matter what the position. There are five spots on the court. Which of the five has to be a superstar for you to win a title? Which of the five kills your shot of winning a title if the player at that spot isn't elite?

[StartOrien]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

  This debate goes round and round. You need a talent to win titles, no matter what the position. There are five spots on the court. Which of the five has to be a superstar for you to win a title? Which of the five kills your shot of winning a title if the player at that spot isn't elite?

[indeedproceed]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

  This debate goes round and round. You need a talent to win titles, no matter what the position. There are five spots on the court. Which of the five has to be a superstar for you to win a title? Which of the five kills your shot of winning a title if the player at that spot isn't elite?

Not a position, but 'big men'. If you don't have an elite defensive presence in the post, you don't win.

Mavs: Chandler
Lakers: Bynum
Lakers: Bynum
Celtics: Perkins
Spurs: Duncan
Heat: Shaq
Spurs: Duncan
Pistons: Wallace
Lakers: Shaq
Again
Again
Spurs: Robinson
Bulls: Rodman
Bulls: Rodman
Bulls: Rodman
Rockets: Hakeem
ROckets: Hakeem

I don't know how much farther I need to go back.

[KCattheStripe]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

  This debate goes round and round. You need a talent to win titles, no matter what the position. There are five spots on the court. Which of the five has to be a superstar for you to win a title? Which of the five kills your shot of winning a title if the player at that spot isn't elite?

This debate does not go round and round. Unless you have Michael Jordan on your team, it is impossible to win the NBA title without all NBA calibre bigs. This is just fact, and even Jordan needed a hall of fame PF to win his second 3 peat.

[KCattheStripe]

I laugh at that the notion that you can't build around a top 5 NBA point guard. Regardless of whether or not that pg's got a jumpshot. It's just silly. And

How many times has a team won a championship when their best player was their PG?

Isiah, Magic and....

  Probably Chauncy. But don't forget, Isiah and Magic count for 7 titles. So 8 or so in the last 30 or so years.

I got Sheed over Billups, but they're awfully close so I'd concede that.

And in all three of those cases they played with All NBA calibre frontcourt players, which a top 5 pg can't win without. On the other hand, a all NBA calibre big can win without a top 5 pg.

  This debate goes round and round. You need a talent to win titles, no matter what the position. There are five spots on the court. Which of the five has to be a superstar for you to win a title? Which of the five kills your shot of winning a title if the player at that spot isn't elite?

Also Tim Duncan in 2003.

[StartOrien]

You forgot the impressive picture, KC.