CB DRAFT FINALS THREAD: Sixers Win!!!!!!!

[dark_lord]

It's too bad that "Bogut help D" is Portland's only plan to slow down DWade.

this pic is a perfect example of what i said earlier in the thread, which went unnoticed:

furthermore.....portland's bigs wont get any garbage type points.  they will have to work hard for theirs.  philly has players that can drive, attract help defense and drop off, throw lobs, or kick outs to open teammates. 

[Who]

Jeez, I wasn't aware of the anti-Iguodala bias out there.  The guy is overpaid, but he's a heck of a player.  Great athlete, great defender, great passer, good scorer, high basketball IQ, accepting of his role.  But definitely overpaid.

I think many people are justifiably concerned about how much Iggy would contribute on the offensive end when playing on a team with more talented offensive options than Phily has.

[indeedproceed]

I didn't response to it because I had no idea what you were talking about. You started talking about garbage points, and ended up talking about how my guys are gonna defend.

Jeez, I wasn't aware of the anti-Iguodala bias out there.  The guy is overpaid, but he's a heck of a player.  Great athlete, great defender, great passer, good scorer, high basketball IQ, accepting of his role.  But definitely overpaid.

I think many people are justifiably concerned about how much Iggy would contribute on the offensive end when playing on a team with more talented offensive options than Phily has.

Also on a team that takes he ball out of his hands.

That's the issue; phillys talent is too redundant. And.....and honestly I got nothing left. After I got my HARDENLOWRYBOGUTWILLIAMS4EVA tattoo, i feel like I got no more material.

[mgent]

Jeez, I wasn't aware of the anti-Iguodala bias out there.  The guy is overpaid, but he's a heck of a player.  Great athlete, great defender, great passer, good scorer, high basketball IQ, accepting of his role.  But definitely overpaid.

I think many people are justifiably concerned about how much Iggy would contribute on the offensive end when playing on a team with more talented offensive options than Phily has.

The same as he does with Brand and Williams/Holiday/Iverson, only more efficiently.   No reason to think he'll do worse with guys that will get him open better.

Again, he has a usage rate of 19.  He has 0 problem playing off the ball, and is a much more ideal 2nd best player than franchise player.

[dark_lord]

I didn't response to it because I had no idea what you were talking about. You started talking about garbage points, and ended up talking about how my guys are gonna defend.

i thought it was clear, but i must be wrong.  these are the two posts i made:

what good are bigs offensively, when the guards/wings cant get them the ball in good positions.  philly dominates spots 1,2,3....especially 2,3.  bring in barbosa and it continues

and...

furthermore.....portland's bigs wont get any garbage type points.  they will have to work hard for theirs.  philly has players that can drive, attract help defense and drop off, throw lobs, or kick outs to open teammates.  the easiest points the bigs of portland gets are pick/rolls and pick/pops. with players as athletic and smart as philly's, they make adjustments to picks, imo

[mgent]

I didn't response to it because I had no idea what you were talking about. You started talking about garbage points, and ended up talking about how my guys are gonna defend.

Jeez, I wasn't aware of the anti-Iguodala bias out there.  The guy is overpaid, but he's a heck of a player.  Great athlete, great defender, great passer, good scorer, high basketball IQ, accepting of his role.  But definitely overpaid.

I think many people are justifiably concerned about how much Iggy would contribute on the offensive end when playing on a team with more talented offensive options than Phily has.

Also on a team that takes he ball out of his hands.

That's the issue; phillys talent is too redundant. And.....and honestly I got nothing left. After I got my HARDENLOWRYBOGUTWILLIAMS4EVA tattoo, i feel like I got no more material.

Too redundant?  Really?  That's your final argument?  Mr. Lives-in-the-Post?

If so you should've quit while you were ahead, because Iguodala is an excellent player off the ball, he's just effective with the ball too due to being a point-forward all his career.

[Who]

Jeez, I wasn't aware of the anti-Iguodala bias out there.  The guy is overpaid, but he's a heck of a player.  Great athlete, great defender, great passer, good scorer, high basketball IQ, accepting of his role.  But definitely overpaid.

I think many people are justifiably concerned about how much Iggy would contribute on the offensive end when playing on a team with more talented offensive options than Phily has.

Also on a team that takes he ball out of his hands.

That's the issue; phillys talent is too redundant.

I agree with that concern too. I think Iggy's value decreases offensively, again, when playing alongside a ball-dominant perimeter player like a Dwyane Wade or say a Chris Paul.

I also think there are genuine concerns about his ability to score efficiently in the playoffs when facing a top defensive opponent.

[indeedproceed]

Iguoadala is a terrible spot uP shooter though...so is wade. Another reason I'm gonna win...lack of shooters. Your guys need to put the ball on he floor to score.

Also to dark-lord.... I don't agree at all with just about anything you said there. Why can't my guys getthw bigs the ball? Because of some kind of forcefield?

And why can't they get garbage points? Theyre both better rebounders than their counterparts.

AlsO, how is iggy that good off the ball? With his sub 30% shooting midrange game? The guy is about as reliable a shooter as....something that is not very reliable.

[Who]

I would also add that I am a bigger fan of Andre Iguodala as a two guard than a small forward.

For two reasons - (1) the relative value of his rebounding is higher (2) with his size and power, he is a very tough post up player at that position and hence a superior shot-creator against solid defensive opponents.

[Who]

Iguoadala is a terrible spot uP shooter though...so is wade. Another reason I'm gonna win...lack of shooters. Your guys need to put the ball on he floor to score.

AlsO, how is iggy that good off the ball? With his sub 30% shooting midrange game? The guy is about as reliable a shooter as....something that is not very reliable.

Iggy shot 33-34% from downtown last year.

I would say that is pretty close to average for a small forward.

Not ideal but useful enough. About the same as Marvin Williams last year.

[indeedproceed]

That's pretty bad

[Roy H.]

The idea that Andre Iguodala can't play without the ball in his hands is a strange idea to me.  He shared the ball with Allen Iverson, and he shared the ball with Jrue Holiday / Lou Williams.

Wade showed last year that he has no problems sharing the ball with another ball-handler on offense, and Iggy doesn't have that issue, either.  Weird criticism that seems to ignore the reality of the players' situations in real life.

[indeedproceed]

That iggy/iverson play was pretty sustainable though, right?

[Roy H.]

That iggy/iverson play was pretty sustainable though, right?

Iverson isn't a great fit alongside any secondary star.  However, Iguodala thrived in the role.  More recently, Iguodala has been very solid, and was instrumental in guiding Philly into the playoffs last season.

Also, give that Iverson/Iguodala a great team defense and an all-star big man like David West, and I bet they'd look a lot better (although not as good as the Fake Sixers, since Wade >>>> Iverson).

[Who]

The idea that Andre Iguodala can't play without the ball in his hands is a strange idea to me.  He shared the ball with Allen Iverson, and he shared the ball with Jrue Holiday / Lou Williams.

Iggy only became a prolific score after Iverson left.

And his scoring dropped to 14ppg this past season.