2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[indeedproceed]

That's 860 words of analysis, and I expect a dozen TP's, as well as analysis in kind. Unless all that's out there are leading questions.

Ok, this is THE Walker Wiggle's make good. Offer stands to the rest of my colleagues.

I'll give this the attention it deserves when I get some time at home. TP for the work, its appreciated!

[Donoghus]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement.  

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

[Lucky17]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement.  

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

Not a big fan of the bench.

I have little faith in Diaw staying in shape over this layoff.

Gary Neal has a lot to prove still.

Singleton's a rookie, but he'll only see the floor for 5 minutes a game or garbage time. He's been touted as a defensive specialist; will he make that impact as a rookie in the NBA?

I like Zaza and Nazr, but there's no need for both of them on the same roster.

[ChampKind]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement. 

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

Not a big fan of the bench.

I have little faith in Diaw staying in shape over this layoff.

Gary Neal has a lot to prove still.

Singleton's a rookie, but he'll only see the floor for 5 minutes a game or garbage time. He's been touted as a defensive specialist; will he make that impact as a rookie in the NBA?

I like Zaza and Nazr, but there's no need for both of them on the same roster.

Agreed. Starters are dynamite, bench could use some work. Although, when you've got a starting 5 like that, there's bound to be a tradeoff. Overall, strong as hell.

[Lucky17]

PG: Steve Nash / Beno Udrih
SG: Mike Miller / Jason Terry
SF: Trevor Ariza / Evan Turner
PF: Gerald Wallace / Udonis Haslem / Al Harrington
C:  Joakim Noah / Anthony Randolph

Flame on.

[Rondo2287]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement.  

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

Not a big fan of the bench.

I have little faith in Diaw staying in shape over this layoff.

Gary Neal has a lot to prove still.

Singleton's a rookie, but he'll only see the floor for 5 minutes a game or garbage time. He's been touted as a defensive specialist; will he make that impact as a rookie in the NBA?

I like Zaza and Nazr, but there's no need for both of them on the same roster.

What does Diaw's shape over the lockout have anything to do with this game.  When we simulate the playoffs via voting wouldnt you have to assume Diaw has been playing and is therefor in shape?  If we are having a season and playoffs in this game, the real life layoff doesn't really apply.

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

[Donoghus]

PG: Steve Nash / Beno Udrih
SG: Mike Miller / Jason Terry
SF: Trevor Ariza / Evan Turner
PF: Gerald Wallace / Udonis Haslem / Al Harrington
C:  Joakim Noah / Anthony Randolph

Flame on.

Like the frontcourt.

For whatever reason, something doesn't sit right with me having Mike Miller as a starter. 

[Lucky17]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement.  

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

Not a big fan of the bench.

I have little faith in Diaw staying in shape over this layoff.

Gary Neal has a lot to prove still.

Singleton's a rookie, but he'll only see the floor for 5 minutes a game or garbage time. He's been touted as a defensive specialist; will he make that impact as a rookie in the NBA?

I like Zaza and Nazr, but there's no need for both of them on the same roster.

What does Diaw's shape over the lockout have anything to do with this game.  When we simulate the playoffs via voting wouldnt you have to assume Diaw has been playing and is therefor in shape?  If we are having a season and playoffs in this game, the real life layoff doesn't really apply.

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

Well, has Diaw been in shape for the start of a season since he inked his last contract extension? We consider injury history when it comes time to vote. Why not other player "track records?"

Re: Gary Neal, I'm just saying he burst onto the scene out of complete obscurity. Maybe he's the next Wes Matthews. I'm saying I have no idea what to expect from him.

[Rondo2287]

While waiting for a plane thought I would check in and see how te Sacramento Kings a.k.a. Dinoboxerbots were doing:

Chauncey Billups/Jarrett Jack
Wesley Matthews/Gary Neal
LeBron James/Chris Singleton
Paul Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson Chandler/Zaza Pachulia/Nazr Mohammed

Yeah, I'm liking how this team is rounding into shape.

Very solid and physical basketball team.  I like the style you're trying to implement.  

I think the Singleton pickup was pretty savvy.

Not a big fan of the bench.

I have little faith in Diaw staying in shape over this layoff.

Gary Neal has a lot to prove still.

Singleton's a rookie, but he'll only see the floor for 5 minutes a game or garbage time. He's been touted as a defensive specialist; will he make that impact as a rookie in the NBA?

I like Zaza and Nazr, but there's no need for both of them on the same roster.

What does Diaw's shape over the lockout have anything to do with this game.  When we simulate the playoffs via voting wouldnt you have to assume Diaw has been playing and is therefor in shape?  If we are having a season and playoffs in this game, the real life layoff doesn't really apply.

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

Well, has Diaw been in shape for the start of a season since he inked his last contract extension? We consider injury history when it comes time to vote. Why not other player "track records?"

Re: Gary Neal, I'm just saying he burst onto the scene out of complete obscurity. Maybe he's the next Wes Matthews. I'm saying I have no idea what to expect from him.

In Diaw's first ten games last year he averaged

12.3 pts  4.5 rbs  3.2 assists

Compared to

11.3 pts  5.0 rbs and 4.1 assists for his season average

Im not sure that really shows that he showed up out of shape does it?

[Lucky17]

PG: Steve Nash / Beno Udrih
SG: Mike Miller / Jason Terry
SF: Trevor Ariza / Evan Turner
PF: Gerald Wallace / Udonis Haslem / Al Harrington
C:  Joakim Noah / Anthony Randolph

Flame on.

Like the frontcourt.

For whatever reason, something doesn't sit right with me having Mike Miller as a starter. 

You wouldn't believe the amount of effort I put into addressing that today (but have nothing to show for it).

[action781]

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

Re: Gary Neal, I'm just saying he burst onto the scene out of complete obscurity. Maybe he's the next Wes Matthews. I'm saying I have no idea what to expect from him.

Yeah, I don't know whether to expect the same from Gary Neal either.  Gary Neal is a jump shooter; 94% of his fga last season were jump shots and 67% of those were assisted on.  So Neal clearly needs somebody to be driving to the hole setting him up for those open shots and in SA it was often Manu or Parker doing that.

Sacramento currently doesn't have anybody on the bench who can create like that.  So, I think the only way Neal is successful is if he is played with Lebron.  Another benefit to doing this will be that it allows Matthews some minutes to play with the bench, which will be in dire need of offense.

Actually, I have an idea that might sound a little crazy, but... have you thought about starting Neal (play 15-18 min total) and bringing Matthews off the bench (play 30ish min total)?

The only problem with this is that it puts a lot of pressure on Lebron to carry an offense by himself, but I feel like he's done that plenty before.......... For the first 3 quarters at least 

[action781]

there with Anthony Tolliver, who is a proven and valuable commodity and defender.

There are two Anthony Tollivers?

I love the guy, very nice, funny, and went to college in my home town, and was super cool in a charity game where I met him. But he's not a proven commodity as a defender.

He's been a rotation big for two of the worst defenses in the NBA, who have also been two of the worse teams in the NBA. He has value becuase he's quick and can shoot. But he's a poor rebounder and not a good defender at the NBA level.

You're telling me that Anthony Tolliver only lies in being quick and able to shoot? That he can't defend at the NBA level?

His ON/Off the court #'s say differently, Experts say differently, his fans say differently...

AND ROY HOBBS SAYS DIFFERENTLY!

Both Warriors and Wolves fans have constantly applauded his defense on various forums, and from the times I've seen him play, he seems to play defense intelligently and with a lot of effort.

I'm with you Faf, I used to hate on Tolliver's talents..but I was wrong. Come to the light side, Faf..the feel-good side.

Anthony Tolliver?

Ladies and Gentlemen!  I present to you this year's Ersan Ilyasova!

[Rondo2287]

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

Re: Gary Neal, I'm just saying he burst onto the scene out of complete obscurity. Maybe he's the next Wes Matthews. I'm saying I have no idea what to expect from him.

Yeah, I don't know whether to expect the same from Gary Neal either.  Gary Neal is a jump shooter; 94% of his fga last season were jump shots and 67% of those were assisted on.  So Neal clearly needs somebody to be driving to the hole setting him up for those open shots and in SA it was often Manu or Parker doing that.

Sacramento currently doesn't have anybody on the bench who can create like that.  So, I think the only way Neal is successful is if he is played with Lebron.  Another benefit to doing this will be that it allows Matthews some minutes to play with the bench, which will be in dire need of offense.

Actually, I have an idea that might sound a little crazy, but... have you thought about starting Neal (play 15-18 min total) and bringing Matthews off the bench (play 30ish min total)?

The only problem with this is that it puts a lot of pressure on Lebron to carry an offense by himself, but I feel like he's done that plenty before.......... For the first 3 quarters at least 

I havent confirmed this with Nick but imagine we would have chauncey or Lebron on the floor at all times, so shot creation for Neal won't be a problem either way.

[action781]

And Gary Neal proved he could be a very strong contributor for the team with the best record in the league last year right?

Re: Gary Neal, I'm just saying he burst onto the scene out of complete obscurity. Maybe he's the next Wes Matthews. I'm saying I have no idea what to expect from him.

Yeah, I don't know whether to expect the same from Gary Neal either.  Gary Neal is a jump shooter; 94% of his fga last season were jump shots and 67% of those were assisted on.  So Neal clearly needs somebody to be driving to the hole setting him up for those open shots and in SA it was often Manu or Parker doing that.

Sacramento currently doesn't have anybody on the bench who can create like that.  So, I think the only way Neal is successful is if he is played with Lebron.  Another benefit to doing this will be that it allows Matthews some minutes to play with the bench, which will be in dire need of offense.

Actually, I have an idea that might sound a little crazy, but... have you thought about starting Neal (play 15-18 min total) and bringing Matthews off the bench (play 30ish min total)?

The only problem with this is that it puts a lot of pressure on Lebron to carry an offense by himself, but I feel like he's done that plenty before.......... For the first 3 quarters at least  

I havent confirmed this with Nick but imagine we would have chauncey or Lebron on the floor at all times, so shot creation for Neal won't be a problem either way.

I see.  So, if Lebron plays 39 min per game and Chauncey 32, and Chauncey plays 9 of those minutes when Lebron is sitting, then you expect Lebron and Chauncey to play together for 23 minutes per game?

*You're free of course to choose your own minutes played, I just based those numbers on the facts that Lebron played 38 last season, but 39 in his last season with cleveland.  Chauncey played 32 with Denver and 31 with NYK last season.

EDIT:  I like Jack a lot as a player.  I think Chauncey is a great fit next to Lebron and I think you should want to maximize their minutes together.  But with Chauncey aging and likely unable to play more than 32 min per game effectively, I think you should try to maximize their minutes together, then get a more scoring oriented backup point guard who can create offense with Lebron out of the game.  A Brandon Jennings type would be interesting and I know IP would back you up that!

[indeedproceed]

there with Anthony Tolliver, who is a proven and valuable commodity and defender.

There are two Anthony Tollivers?

I love the guy, very nice, funny, and went to college in my home town, and was super cool in a charity game where I met him. But he's not a proven commodity as a defender.

He's been a rotation big for two of the worst defenses in the NBA, who have also been two of the worse teams in the NBA. He has value becuase he's quick and can shoot. But he's a poor rebounder and not a good defender at the NBA level.

You're telling me that Anthony Tolliver only lies in being quick and able to shoot? That he can't defend at the NBA level?

His ON/Off the court #'s say differently, Experts say differently, his fans say differently...

AND ROY HOBBS SAYS DIFFERENTLY!

Both Warriors and Wolves fans have constantly applauded his defense on various forums, and from the times I've seen him play, he seems to play defense intelligently and with a lot of effort.

I'm with you Faf, I used to hate on Tolliver's talents..but I was wrong. Come to the light side, Faf..the feel-good side.

Anthony Tolliver?

Ladies and Gentlemen!  I present to you this year's Ersan Ilyasova!

He's not a stud. He's not some kind of machine. He's 18 minutes a night of energy, hustle, decent defense, decent shooting, and mediocre rebounding. He's Glen Davis, if Glen Davis were a little more moderate and humble.

Besides this years' Ersan is Derrick Williams for me. (As in he's a player I believe in strongly that some aren't buying)