2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[KCattheStripe]

parker's not a huge upgrade besides scoring slightly more.

parker 17.5ppg 6.6ast 1.2stl 3.1reb
conley 13.7ppg 6.5ast 1.8stl 3.1 reb

Two completely different players, in my mind.  Parker gets extra credit for being a champion, though, including a Finals MVP.  He's a more proven playoff performer than Conley.

parkers better than conley but im saying production wise its close

Having been there and done that at a high level counts for a lot.

[celticpride07]

parker's not a huge upgrade besides scoring slightly more.

parker 17.5ppg 6.6ast 1.2stl 3.1reb
conley 13.7ppg 6.5ast 1.8stl 3.1 reb

Two completely different players, in my mind.  Parker gets extra credit for being a champion, though, including a Finals MVP.  He's a more proven playoff performer than Conley.

parkers better than conley but im saying production wise its close

Having been there and done that at a high level counts for a lot.

of course it does. the point i am making is if you look at their stats from last year its really close. and if you didn't put a name to the stats u would NOT say one player was a big upgrade over the other.

[StartOrien]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

[Kane3387]

Updated Utah JAZZ:

SF) Paul Pierce
PF) Pau Gasol
C ) Sam Dalembert
SG) Nick Young
PG) Andre Miller

B) Jamal Crawford
B) Richard Jefferson
B) Brendan Haywood

Coach - Larry Brown

Other than you most likely need a very good backup PG
I like the shape the team is getting
iver all its a lot better than friday
good work

Well I really feel like Crawford needs to play starter type minutes so he will backup both the PG and SG positions.

not sold on this
Jamal is better creting his shots
but becomes a black WHOLE when if he plays at pg
Believe me U rather open him minutes at SF before
giving too much PG time to him
specially with this team that lacks a little passing
and your bigs are not exactly arbidas sabonis

Gasol is arguably the best passing Big man in the game... His passing ability is why the triangle was so good.

Still Edgar thank you for commenting. You were the only one and I appreciate the feedback. You have given me a few things to consider. TP

[celticpride07]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

[StartOrien]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

Couple more

[celticpride07]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

Couple more

parker is better than conley. honestly though u really thought the grizz would beat miami or dallas??

[KCattheStripe]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

Couple more

parker is better than conley. honestly though u really thought the grizz would beat miami or dallas?? were u on drugs

Memphis would have given both those teams a series simply because neither of those teams were equipped to handle to big men offensive threats.

[celticpride07]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

Couple more

parker is better than conley. honestly though u really thought the grizz would beat miami or dallas?? were u on drugs

Memphis would have given both those teams a series simply because neither of those teams were equipped to handle to big men offensive threats.

the OKC-Grizz series was a battle royal..they would have been no match for the well rested mavs

[KCattheStripe]

I think the Celtics have showed us enough that we shouldn't necessarily judge a player on individual stats.

But as a basketball fan, having watched both, surely you can see that Tony Parker is significantly better than Mike Conley at this point in their careers?

To me, Parker is someone who Conley is clearly trying to mold his game after.

how many times do i have to say yes parker is better than conley? stats are close though

Couple more

parker is better than conley. honestly though u really thought the grizz would beat miami or dallas?? were u on drugs

Memphis would have given both those teams a series simply because neither of those teams were equipped to handle to big men offensive threats.

the OKC-Grizz series was a battle royal..they would have been no match for the well rested mavs

Mavs would have to pick their poison with Gasol or Zbo. And the Grizz defenders would have made the Mavs lives miserable. It's not like the Grizz were an old team in danger of wearing down.

[StartOrien]

parker is better than conley. honestly though u really thought the grizz would beat miami or dallas??

Ha, the one downside of the Celticsblog draft is that I always feel a struggle trying to make it clear that I'm not just trying to pump my team up.

Here's a g-chat convo I had with my friend on 5/5:

Michael: let me ask you this
  who wins a series between memphis and miami?
me: Memphis
  5 games
1:58 PM Michael: it's such a ridiculously bad matchup for miami

So, take that for what it is: Yes, I honestly thought Memphis was a serious competitor.

With Dallas, I don't know. It woulda been fun that's for sure. Now if they had a Chuck Hayes type...

[The Walker Wiggle]

PG: CP3, Brandon Jennings
SG: Brandon Roy, Jason Terry
SF: Jared Dudley
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Javale McGee

I'm impressed. After a uneven regular season, Paul reestablished himself as the best point guard in the league in that first round Lakers/Hornets series. Offensively, both Jefferson and McGee are looking at career years. Brandon Jennings was already a steal as a sixth round pick, but you pried him loose for what a mid-seventh rounder? Now he's the best back up point guard in the league. After treading water last season (foot surgery is partly to blame) I expect he'll make real strides next season, whenever that is.

Brandon Roy is more of a question mark, he showed in the playoffs both that he could still exert his will on the game - the Trailblazers' two wins - and that he couldn't be relied upon night in, night out. But then Jet is likely the perfect compliment, one of the few scorers who can thrive off the bench and shoulder a starter's load on short notice.

Dudley is as a great reserve 3 but both overrated here and not a long term starter in the league.

Defensively, Paul is All Defense while Dudley and Jennings are solid,  But the front court will struggle. Jefferson and McGee will both board and block shots - that shouldn't be undersold - but they'll still give up a lot of points, miss rotations, and get caught out of position.

It's also possible that the team's great backcourt depth could be framed as a weakness. Except when Roy is missing games, there aren't enough minutes to go around and it's doubtful that Jennings - who's success is partly owed to his swagger - will accept coming off the bench even behind a couple of the best.

[action781]

Quick question

Is Memphis any different then GS when they upset Dallas?

I don't mean style.  I mean they had a match up advantage over SA that allowed them to win. 

Honestly, a very very good question considering Memphis only won a single round this past postseason.  I have a quick answer (more directed to your question) and a longer answer (more regarding our team):

Quick answer:  yes, because Dallas was criticized all series for not pounding GS down low while playing a defensive 4/5 of Stephen Jackson and Biedrins.  Dallas lost that series more than GS won the series.  I don't think anybody doubts that Memphis won their first round series this postseason.  As SO pointed out, GS was a very flawed team that year that every NBA fan knew that some team was eventually going to just pound down low.  Did anybody watch that Spurs/Memphis series and think: "Oh man, Memphis was lucky that SA didnt do (some basketball strategy).  Just wait until they play (some remaining playoff team)."  I never heard that on this board nor from any friends.  I'd be willing to bet that neither Dallas nor Miami were praying to draw Memphis after seeing the first round.

Longer answer:  I think it's important to first point out that the Pawnee Pacers are a better team than the playoff Memphis Grizzlies.  Equal 4-5, a better 3 (Gay vs. Battier), a better 1, and a 2 who brings a different style game (good, while slightly inferior defender, but can spread the floor way better for Parker and our bigs to work).  We are not trying to be Grizzlies 2.0, we are just trying to build a successful basketball team and some Grizzlies happen to fall into our hands at tremendous value.  We have the email conversations to prove it.  And I haven't heard anybody point out a viable basketball-realted flaw in the Pawnee Pacers yet, only comparisons to the Memphis Grizzlies, which is not what we are striving for.  We are striving to put together as complete of a basketball team as possible.  I'll repeat that we just happened to have had the 3 most talented Grizzlies fall to us while also acquiring a still very talented NBA Finals MVP.

So I hope people don't get too wrapped up in comparing us to the real-life Memphis Grizzlies.  The Pawnee Pacers are their own team with an absolutely devastating frontcourt duo; a backup frontcourt player who can play as good man defense as any backup 4/5 in the CBNBA; a steady, proven, and NBA Finals MVP for PG; and two wings who can shoot the ball and defend well (one of which is capable of doing much more offensively also).  I'd say "what's not to like?", but we plan on addressing a backup PG and some height at backup C with 2 of our remaining 5 picks.

And I'd also like to point out that I genuinely appreciate every single critique and positive comment made thus far about our Pacers.  I have been commenting on many teams so far in this thread and I will continue to do so, especially to those who have put in the effort to carefully consider our team.

[Who]

I think Grizzlies have established themselves as a legitimate contender.

I didn't think they had much of a chance last year but add a healthy Rudy Gay to that team and I definitely think they are a threat to win the West.

[mgent]

Got a rotation now so I'll finally post my team.

Hinrich/Douglas
Wade/Douglas
Iguodala/Hedo
K-Mart/Hedo/Lopez
Varejao/Lopez

Not sure where I'm going with my next pick yet.  Probably either a shooting PG or larger wing defender next to Toney Douglas.  That or a scoring forward.