WEEI: Doc: Any of big 3 could come off bench, not happy with BBD's play

[Lucky17]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Me either. As rsan says, what really needs to happen is better management of their minutes.

Only way to do that is by acquiring solid bench players.

[theswitch]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Me either. As rsan says, what really needs to happen is better management of their minutes.

Only way to do that is by acquiring solid bench players.

It also helps avoid, or at least cut down on, the situation where we have all bench guys out there on the floor with Ray Allen and we can't get a shot off. With Pierce, for example, coming off the bench, we can anticipate a quick start with the current starters + Green and then some needed scoring punch off the bench as well.

[Rondo2287]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Doc said they needed to get more athletic up front.  One way to do that is increase Jeff Greens Minutes and have Pierce off the bench.  I think if you were to do this though you would need to have Pierce at the SG position with Green while Ray sits.  

[j804]

^That makes sense, I didn't even think of roles speaking more of if I could see anybody swallowing a bit of there ego id think Ray maybe Paul would too I dont see it though, the year after that maybe....

[rondohondo]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

1) give Jeff Green Starters mins(25-30) at his most effective position SF with all-stars all around him. This Allows him to be the 2nd or 3rd option and not have to be a go to scorer when he comes off the bench for PP. He is also MUCH more effective being able to get out on the fast break and finish with Rondo.

2) PP gives us a go to scorer off the bench . Jeff Green can't be expected to create his own offense each time down the floor, but PP against a tired starting unit and 2nd unit of the other team would easily be able to create for himself and others .

The last few years the c's have lost in the playoffs because they had offensive droughts. With PP coming off the bench I think it makes our team much more balanced so we wouldn't go through those droughts with a fresh PP leading the bench offense and defense.

[Lucky17]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

1) give Jeff Green Starters mins(25-30) at his most effective position SF with all-stars all around him. This Allows him to be the 2nd or 3rd option and not have to be a go to scorer when he comes off the bench for PP. He is also MUCH more effective being able to get out on the fast break and finish with Rondo.

2) PP gives us a go to scorer off the bench . Jeff Green can't be expected to create his own offense each time down the floor, but PP against a tired starting unit and 2nd unit of the other team would easily be able to create for himself and others .

The last few years the c's have lost in the playoffs because they had offensive droughts. With PP coming off the bench I think it makes our team much more balanced so we wouldn't go through those droughts with a fresh PP leading the bench offense and defense.

Why not have Green as the primary backup to Pierce and Garnett, still give him 25-30 minutes, and keep the starting five intact?

Green should be on the floor with at least one other member of the Big Three. That's easily done with bringing him off the bench.

[ben]

Walk away from BBD !

[Who]

They can start Pierce and make him the first sub out around the 6 minute mark and bring him back towards the end of the quarter to play with the second unit and achieve the exact same thing. Give him another rest. Then bring him back to finish off the half.

They do not bring Pierce off the bench to play him in the second unit.

The difference should be in minutes distribution rather than starter or reserve.

[gar]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

1) give Jeff Green Starters mins(25-30) at his most effective position SF with all-stars all around him. This Allows him to be the 2nd or 3rd option and not have to be a go to scorer when he comes off the bench for PP. He is also MUCH more effective being able to get out on the fast break and finish with Rondo.

2) PP gives us a go to scorer off the bench . Jeff Green can't be expected to create his own offense each time down the floor, but PP against a tired starting unit and 2nd unit of the other team would easily be able to create for himself and others .

The last few years the c's have lost in the playoffs because they had offensive droughts. With PP coming off the bench I think it makes our team much more balanced so we wouldn't go through those droughts with a fresh PP leading the bench offense and defense.

Not sure if the problem is Green deferring to the big three or his inability to create his own offense. I think it was hard for him to assume the scoring role with the second unit with a new team and a new system. He was able to do it in OKC with Durant out; but he does not look comfortable out there yet. Perhaps starting is what it will take for him to get that comfort level.

[angryguy77]

Glen Davis could always get a long term deal with the Idaho Stampeders and along with Antione Walker, keep the late night windows at the Boise Wendy's busy.

I could see Europe

Europe says "negative".

Europe also says it would rather have Hitler back before it would take Davis.

[theswitch]

They can start Pierce and make him the first sub out around the 6 minute mark and bring him back towards the end of the quarter to play with the second unit and achieve the exact same thing. Give him another rest. Then bring him back to finish off the half.

They do not bring Pierce off the bench to play him in the second unit.

The difference should be in minutes distribution rather than starter or reserve.

There's also the KG factor - if he's playing in 5-minute spurts, then he's coming out at the 7-minute mark in the first quarter. You can't take both KG and Paul out at the 6 or 7-minute mark and rely on the bench that early, it makes much more sense to start Green at the 3 and sub Paul for KG at the 7-minute mark, moving JG to the 4. Keeps the talent balanced.

[Who]

I gotta say I don't see athleticism being that big of a factor for the starting unit.

The Celtics got killed when they put their reserve big men in the game but their starting lineup, as a unit, was very effective against athletic teams.

The Celtics need to address their lack of quickness / athleticism of their big men ... not come up with some sideways plan (start Green, bench Pierce) that doesn't address the actual problem and does very little to help situation.

[Who]

They can start Pierce and make him the first sub out around the 6 minute mark and bring him back towards the end of the quarter to play with the second unit and achieve the exact same thing. Give him another rest. Then bring him back to finish off the half.

They do not bring Pierce off the bench to play him in the second unit.

The difference should be in minutes distribution rather than starter or reserve.

There's also the KG factor - if he's playing in 5-minute spurts, then he's coming out at the 7-minute mark in the first quarter. You can't take both KG and Paul out at the 6 or 7-minute mark and rely on the bench that early, it makes much more sense to start Green at the 3 and sub Paul for KG at the 7-minute mark, moving JG to the 4. Keeps the talent balanced.

Why would KG only be able to play in 5 minute spurts?

[Chris]

I gotta say I don't see athleticism being that big of a factor for the starting unit.

The Celtics got killed when they put their reserve big men in the game but their starting lineup, as a unit, was very effective against athletic teams.

The Celtics need to address their lack of quickness / athleticism of their big men ... not come up with some sideways plan (start Green, bench Pierce) that doesn't address the actual problem and does very little to help situation.

Agree completely.  I think Doc said it well when he said their goal this summer is to find guys who can go get the ball.  This is something they haven't really had since they lost Powe (and after the knee injury, Powe isn't this kind of player anymore either).  KG, Pierce, and Rondo can all do this in the starting lineup (although not as well as they used to be able to), but they really haven't had anyone other than maybe Tony Allen who could do it off the bench the last couple of years.

The starters are just fine on this team.  Yes, they need to be able to limit their minutes a bit more, but what this team really needs are some guys who can go get the ball off the bench.  Guys who will win the battles for the loose balls, so this team isn't constantly giving up a ton of extra shots to the other team.  

[Lucky17]

I wonder if Ainge may go after Corey Brewer this offseason, considering how he pursued him after his release from the Knicks.

What would he command on the FA market?