Why did the Celtics lose to the Heat? (merged)

[OsirusCeltics]

Perkins is on his way to the conference finals for the 3rd time...haters and Danny Ainge can get together at his place and watch the WCF games together.

So we should have kept Scalabrine because his team is in the conference finals?

Yes...because that's what I was trying to say...read it again..haters can keep hating...Perk's team is in the conference finals...and Danny Ainge and us will watch his team play.

Also, by your asinine logic we should have kept Mikki Moore...same result...second round exit.

You have the asinine logic
Saying Perk is a difference maker because the media and his teammates says so. He's "mean"  
I don't care for emotional opinions like you do
Perk couldn't guard mobile bigs with an array of skills and you know it lol

[barefacedmonk]

Perkins is on his way to the conference finals for the 3rd time...haters and Danny Ainge can get together at his place and watch the WCF games together.

So we should have kept Scalabrine because his team is in the conference finals?

Yes...because that's what I was trying to say...read it again..haters can keep hating...Perk's team is in the conference finals...and Danny Ainge and us will watch his team play.

Also, by your asinine logic we should have kept Mikki Moore...same result...second round exit.

You have the asinine logic
Saying Perk is a difference maker because the media and his teammates says so. He's "mean" 
Perk couldn't guard big with an array of skills and you know it lol

Neither have I or anybody else who is/was against the trade has mentioned him being "mean" as a contribution. Re-read it as many times as like...the only people who have brought up the word "mean" have been people like you who use it to mock his defense.

BTW, what kind of performance do you expect from Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic in tomorrow's game?

Oh wait...

[barefacedmonk]

I don't care for emotional opinions like you do

Hahaha...says the guy who uses "Perk was mean" as an argument.

[OsirusCeltics]

Perkins is on his way to the conference finals for the 3rd time...haters and Danny Ainge can get together at his place and watch the WCF games together.

So we should have kept Scalabrine because his team is in the conference finals?

Yes...because that's what I was trying to say...read it again..haters can keep hating...Perk's team is in the conference finals...and Danny Ainge and us will watch his team play.

Also, by your asinine logic we should have kept Mikki Moore...same result...second round exit.

You have the asinine logic
Saying Perk is a difference maker because the media and his teammates says so. He's "mean"  
Perk couldn't guard big with an array of skills and you know it lol

Neither have I or anybody else who is/was against the trade has mentioned him being "mean" as a contribution. Re-read it as many times as like...the only people who have brought up the word "mean" have been people like you who use it to mock his defense.

BTW, what kind of performance do you expect from Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic in tomorrow's game?

Oh wait...

Hahahaha like I said, you use the asinine logic
Just because Perk is on the team doesn't mean he's having a huge impact
Team success doesn't equal the greatness of a player
So by your logic, Steve Kerr is better than Charles Barkley right? Kerr must have a better impact on the teams that he played

[Roy H.]

Enough with insulting each other / each other's logic. 

[Dante]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

[LB3533]

If you got guys dropping 40 and 10 as well as triple doubles, you're going to win a lot of games....scowl or no scowl.

I just didn't see those kinds of performances or production from our C's Big 4, being all injured and aging.

Which is why our C's need good bench play. OKC got it from Harden.

Our normal bench guy BBD was missing in action for these playoffs.

[CoachCowens]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

Tell that to the 2002 Kings.

[OsirusCeltics]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

Tell that to the 2002 Kings.

TP exactly

[17wasEZ]

Rondo's injury.  It was a 2-1 series and Boston was tied late in the 4th quarter of game 4 with Rondo playing at about 50%.  Result: OT loss.

Then, in game 5, the C's were leading most of the game with Rondo at about 50% and once again blew a lead late in the 4th.  Rondo didn't play at all in that 4th quarter. I have no doubt the Celtics would have been up 3-2 coming home.

As for Perkins, he would not have helped the Celtics bring home a title with Rondo playing the rest of the season with a bumb elbow. Period!

[jc3celticsphan]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

Tell that to the 2002 Kings.

proof

 "http://www.youtube.com/v/2XmeA5VmhX4?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"


"http://www.youtube.com/v/tJnXxQlPC48?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"

[GreenEnvy]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

Tell that to the 2002 Kings.

proof

 "http://www.youtube.com/v/2XmeA5VmhX4?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"


"http://www.youtube.com/v/tJnXxQlPC48?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"

I remember that Kings game at the time was suspect.

And I literally could not continue watching the second video after about 90 seconds. I wish I could erase that memory from my brain. I got extremely drunk that night, and every time I see anything about that game, it adds more to what I tried to forget.

[jc3celticsphan]

We lost to the Heat because they were the better team by the time the playoffs arrived. Nothing to be ashamed about.We were the better team in 2008 and thats why we won then. The best team wins always - thats why they win, unless, of course we want to find excuses for losing, like blaming the refs or the Stern Conspiracy. Excuses are for losers.

Tell that to the 2002 Kings.

proof

 "http://www.youtube.com/v/2XmeA5VmhX4?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"


"http://www.youtube.com/v/tJnXxQlPC48?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0"

I remember that Kings game at the time was suspect.

And I literally could not continue watching the second video after about 90 seconds. I wish I could erase that memory from my brain. I got extremely drunk that night, and every time I see anything about that game, it adds more to what I tried to forget.

yeah man i hear yah.. sorry bout that had to post it because both videos are very simular the freethrow amounts and ticky tack fouls and ever since we lost to the heat I been on this blog more then ever

[Roy H.]

. . . Perk got seriously worked in this series against Memphis and his defense on Gasol was poor. Gasol is an 11 PPG/ 7 RPG player that just went for 15.5/10 playing against Perk and company.

I'm not sure this type of analysis carries the day, though.

First, Gasol had a pretty mediocre regular season.  Last year, for instance, he averaged 14.6 points and 9.3 rebounds in 35.8 minutes per game.  15.5 and 10 in 40 minutes per game, then, is actually a dip in last season's prediction on a per-minute basis.

Even comparing this year's numbers, in April Gasol averaged 13.1 / 8.9 in 31.8 minutes per game.  Once again, on a per-minute basis that's more than the Thunder allowed Gasol.  Additionally, last season Gasol shot 58.1%, this April he shot 54.5%, and overall this season he shot 52.7%.  Against the Thunder, he shot below 50%.

I'm just not sure how holding somebody below their per-minute averages and below their shooting percentage is poor defense.  (For the record, the Spurs and Tim Duncan allowed Gasol to average 14.2 points and 12.3 rebounds on 53.3% shooting.  Is Duncan also a poor defender?)

[Q_FBE]

There seems to be a litany of excuses on why the Celtics lost.

The Galling thing is - it appears the best option is to bring back the core and likely get the same result shoved down our throat only this time it might the Bricks, Pacers, or Bucks who show us the gate in the 1st round next year.

I do not know if Danny will find good trading partners that can bring a Chris Paul and Dwight Howard in here. Heck I don't think there will be any takers for Glen Davis in a sign and trade deal.

Plus you got this thing called a CBA that must be negotiated before we do these trades.

Either way we are facing a year of transition and nobody around here is going to like it and some of you are going to unfairly take it out on Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge not to mention the players.