2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[nickagneta]

While we wait on 2 of our panelists ballots to come in I have started three of our yearly "Best of" votes:

BEST PLAYER OF ERA
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48468.msg1020643;topicseen#new

BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF ERA
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48470.msg1020657;topicseen#new

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF ERA
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=48469.msg1020648;topicseen#new

[StartOrien]

I'm pretty excited that I'm going to win every award possible. Thanks panelists!

[StartOrien]

I'm pretty excited that I'm going to win every award possible. Thanks panelists!

The awards were for:

Most Phoenix Suns and Best team with Thudner Dan Majerle on it, right?

[StartOrien]

Indiana - one above average shooter, two mediocre to below average shooters

Not giving the elite title to Steve Nash, Who?

[mgent]

Maybe it's believable to some coming from a Mod, but as I have presented the facts we have adequate remedies in Michael Cooper and Eddie Jones to remedy our outside shooting.

Okay, if that's the case, than how man minutes do you see Michael Cooper and Eddie Jones combining for? I went thought your old posts looking for a minutes breakdown by position, but I didn't find one (apologies if I missed it).

But how do you see it breaking down?

PG: Payton (36), Rondo (12)
SG: Dumars (30), Spreewell (4), Jones (14), Cooper(?)
SF: Worthy (30), Cooper (12), Garnett (6), Jones (?)
PF: KG (32), Wallace (10), Brand (?), Sampson (6)
C: KAJ (36), Wallace (4) O'Neal ( Sampson (?)

IP - I just filled out a rough estimate for you for the numbers.

Again - some numbers to fluctuate as needed.

Not sure why the smiley face is there with Sampson..trying to edit it out, but it's still there.

GF you know your the man in my eyes, right?

So, and remember I am just keeping it real here, if what people are critiquing about your team is having a lack of three point shooting and the strategy of using three big men at the same time up front without any three pointers in the lineup, and you come back with

"Don't forget we have Eddie Jones and Michael Cooper"

Then why should people remember that if you don't have them as having ANY minutes in your minutes breakdown?

Personally, I think a young KG could guard anyone but perhaps you would be better served keeping him at PF and utilizing an rotation of Kareem, KG, Cooper, Eddie Jones and Payton. 4 unbelievable defenders, 2 great three point shooters and KG to spread the floor and keep double teams off Kareem and lots of space to allow Payton to do what he does.

I think that a way better limited minutes rotation than your big man idea. Also, don't forget what Larry Bird said about Michael Cooper. He thought he was the best defensive player he ever player against. Having him at the three isn't so bad.

EDIT: Sorry GF I just saw the ? on the ends of the minutes breakdown for Cooper and Jones and didn't see their names further in. My bad.

Nick - great points (TP). I'll certainly consider that lineup.

And Roy - why in the world is your TP count going DOWN when I hit the giveth button for you?

And how did it get to 32000 in 1st place?

They're negative.  Saw the minus sign a couple weeks ago, easy to miss.

[Roy H.]

In terms of Three Point Shooters

Portland - two non-shooters, one above average shooter with low attempts

I don't think I'd call Larry an "above average shooter with low attempts".  In 1986, he led the league in three pointers made and attempted, and was fourth in percentage at 42.3%.  That's "elite" category to me, and I think it's fair to extrapolate that Larry's attempts would go up playing in a modern offense.

As for the other "non-shooter", I just don't see Tiny that way.  He was an extremely good outside shooter during his era, and I think he'd be much the same today.  It's similar to guys like Jerry West and Pete Maravich:  those guys could shoot from anywhere, so I don't think it makes sense to call them non-shooters simply because the line didn't exist when they played.

I don't think either Portland or Chicago will have a ton of trouble spreading the floor, simply because I respect the games of Larry, Tiny, Jones, West, Maravich, etc., so much.

[mgent]

Indiana - one above average shooter, two mediocre to below average shooters

Not giving the elite title to Steve Nash, Who?

Blasphemy.

[Roy H.]

And Roy - why in the world is your TP count going DOWN when I hit the giveth button for you?

And how did it get to 32000 in 1st place?

They're negative.  Saw the minus sign a couple weeks ago, easy to miss.

Thank you guys for the TPs.  The negative TPs are just a tongue-in-cheek nod to the irrelevance of TPs (for those who take them competitively); if the most prolific poster on the blog has the fewest TPs (and my total can never realistically go up to a respectable level), then it doesn't make others feel as bad about their "low" TP totals.

[mgent]

And Roy - why in the world is your TP count going DOWN when I hit the giveth button for you?

And how did it get to 32000 in 1st place?

They're negative.  Saw the minus sign a couple weeks ago, easy to miss.

Thank you guys for the TPs.  The negative TPs are just a tongue-in-cheek nod to the irrelevance of TPs (for those who take them competitively); if the most prolific poster on the blog has the fewest TPs (and my total can never realistically go up to a respectable level), then it doesn't make others feel as bad about their "low" TP totals.

Nothing will ever make me feel better about the Lakers beating the Celtics.

[Roy H.]

And Roy - why in the world is your TP count going DOWN when I hit the giveth button for you?

And how did it get to 32000 in 1st place?

They're negative.  Saw the minus sign a couple weeks ago, easy to miss.

Thank you guys for the TPs.  The negative TPs are just a tongue-in-cheek nod to the irrelevance of TPs (for those who take them competitively); if the most prolific poster on the blog has the fewest TPs (and my total can never realistically go up to a respectable level), then it doesn't make others feel as bad about their "low" TP totals.

Nothing will ever make me feel better about the Lakers beating the Celtics.

Same here.

[Who]

In terms of Three Point Shooters

Portland - two non-shooters, one above average shooter with low attempts

I don't think I'd call Larry an "above average shooter with low attempts".  In 1986, he led the league in three pointers made and attempted, and was fourth in percentage at 42.3%.  That's "elite" category to me, and I think it's fair to extrapolate that Larry's attempts would go up playing in a modern offense.

Fair enough -- my thinking was that Larry is best off only taking a small amount of three pointers and sticking to what he does best. That is where I think he does the most damage and where I would want him.

Similar to how Dirk has kept his three point attempts lower the last couple of years because he has refined his post game and that is where he is best used.

[Who]

Indiana - one above average shooter, two mediocre to below average shooters

Not giving the elite title to Steve Nash, Who?

I'll change that.

There are a couple of other guys who's description could change. I just went through it quickly.

[Rondo2287]

Just starting thinking about the Toronto Dinobots

Camby
KG
Artest
Garcia (Had to trade Afflalo cause nobody else believed in him)
Andre Miller

Those were the good ole days

[Who]

As for the other "non-shooter", I just don't see Tiny that way.  He was an extremely good outside shooter during his era, and I think he'd be much the same today.  It's similar to guys like Jerry West and Pete Maravich:  those guys could shoot from anywhere, so I don't think it makes sense to call them non-shooters simply because the line didn't exist when they played.

I don't know about Tiny. I am convinced by him as a long two point jump shooter. Unsure about the three point range.

[StartOrien]

Indiana - one above average shooter, two mediocre to below average shooters

Not giving the elite title to Steve Nash, Who?

Blasphemy.

I detect a hint of sarcasm there. Why don't you read this:

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/59196-Hollinger-says-Steve-Nash-the-greatest-shooter-evar