2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[Rondo2287]

Just so I'm clear in this game, what other all-time big men can guard SGs?

Can Kareem?  Can Hakeem?  Can Shaq?  Can Robinson?  Can Duncan?  Can Malone?  Can Amare?  Can Dikembe?  Can Walton? 

I guess things are getting a bit too theoretical for even, even for this draft.  The idea of KG at SG just defies common sense to me.

I plan on employing shaq as a lock down defender on point guards.  This is of course assuming he has the powers that he did in the movie Kazaam

Interesting you'd choose "Kazaam" Shaq over "Steel" Shaq. EXPLAIN.

Kazaam shaq is magic, he can turn him self into "Steel" shaq at will.  Best of both worlds.

This is shaping up like Point -Counter point on SNL

Point- "Derek Jeter, you suck"
Counter Point - "No I don't"

[indeedproceed]

But the point I'm trying to drive home here is that Kevin Garnett could - and did - play multiple positions for limited minutes, and even extended minutes in some cases.

Maybe its a communication issue. Are you saying KG could, and did, defend all 5 positions, or are you saying KG could, and did, play both sides of the ball in a lineup spot that was traditionally reserved for a 3,2, or 1?

I have found 2 instances, both in 02-03 where KG played in a lineup that put him clearly at the 3, with all the responsibilities of the 3 on both sides of the ball.

 Hudson-Peeler-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

 Hudson-Szczerbiak-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

In those two lineups (accounting for a combined 3.29% of minny's total minutes, or 4% of KG's minutes played that year), KG was a SF, 100%.  

[indeedproceed]

Just so I'm clear in this game, what other all-time big men can guard SGs?

Can Kareem?  Can Hakeem?  Can Shaq?  Can Robinson?  Can Duncan?  Can Malone?  Can Amare?  Can Dikembe?  Can Walton? 

I guess things are getting a bit too theoretical for even, even for this draft.  The idea of KG at SG just defies common sense to me.

I plan on employing shaq as a lock down defender on point guards.  This is of course assuming he has the powers that he did in the movie Kazaam

Interesting you'd choose "Kazaam" Shaq over "Steel" Shaq. EXPLAIN.

Kazaam shaq is magic, he can turn him self into "Steel" shaq at will.  Best of both worlds.

This is shaping up like Point -Counter point on SNL

Point- "Derek Jeter, you suck"
Counter Point - "No I don't"

Jane, you ignorant woman of loose moral character.

[StartOrien]

Just so I'm clear in this game, what other all-time big men can guard SGs?

Can Kareem?  Can Hakeem?  Can Shaq?  Can Robinson?  Can Duncan?  Can Malone?  Can Amare?  Can Dikembe?  Can Walton? 

I guess things are getting a bit too theoretical for even, even for this draft.  The idea of KG at SG just defies common sense to me.

I plan on employing shaq as a lock down defender on point guards.  This is of course assuming he has the powers that he did in the movie Kazaam

Interesting you'd choose "Kazaam" Shaq over "Steel" Shaq. EXPLAIN.

Kazaam shaq is magic, he can turn him self into "Steel" shaq at will.  Best of both worlds.

This is shaping up like Point -Counter point on SNL

Point- "Derek Jeter, you suck"
Counter Point - "No I don't"

To me, this reads as if you haven't done proper homework on Shaq's cinematic masterpiece "Steel."

[nickagneta]

Sorry forbeing this late I am in the middle of a couple of public bidding, that i need to get ready on Friday.

I promiss I will finish my recap ( I only have 2 of those made)
Sorry for the delay I will be able to send them tomorrow

P:S: I promiss they will be good
thats all i have to ask




thank you

Edgar

Just PM them to me when you can we can announce awards whenever. No rush.

[GreenFaith1819]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

[Fafnir]

But the point I'm trying to drive home here is that Kevin Garnett could - and did - play multiple positions for limited minutes, and even extended minutes in some cases.

Maybe its a communication issue. Are you saying KG could, and did, defend all 5 positions, or are you saying KG could, and did, play both sides of the ball in a lineup spot that was traditionally reserved for a 3,2, or 1?

I have found 2 instances, both in 02-03 where KG played in a lineup that put him clearly at the 3, with all the responsibilities of the 3 on both sides of the ball.

 Hudson-Peeler-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

 Hudson-Szczerbiak-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

In those two lineups (accounting for a combined 3.29% of minny's total minutes, or 4% of KG's minutes played that year), KG was a SF, 100%.  

PF is clearly the best position for KG, especially on his later Minnesota teams.

That doesn't mean he's best used at PF full time in this fantasy excercise. Compare GF's team's options at PF/C to KG's Minnesota teams.

Just because KG didn't play SF in 2003-2004 doesn't mean he couldn't. He hadn't lost the skill and comfort of defending perimeter players in switches and still had the athleticism to do so.

Offensively his face up game and jump shot combined with his length and post game would give him more than enough pop to play SF and be very effective against a much smaller defender most games. His face up game would be diminished somewhat as would his driving, but his post game would be enhanced. Combine that with how talented he is as a passer I don't see the SF position as a stretch offensively or defensively.

[StartOrien]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

[GreenFaith1819]

But the point I'm trying to drive home here is that Kevin Garnett could - and did - play multiple positions for limited minutes, and even extended minutes in some cases.

Maybe its a communication issue. Are you saying KG could, and did, defend all 5 positions, or are you saying KG could, and did, play both sides of the ball in a lineup spot that was traditionally reserved for a 3,2, or 1?

I have found 2 instances, both in 02-03 where KG played in a lineup that put him clearly at the 3, with all the responsibilities of the 3 on both sides of the ball.

 Hudson-Peeler-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

 Hudson-Szczerbiak-Garnett-Nesterovic-Woods

In those two lineups (accounting for a combined 3.29% of minny's total minutes, or 4% of KG's minutes played that year), KG was a SF, 100%.  

I'm saying KG could defend all five spots on the floor his natural spot being PF - but in some cases defending other spots.

And he could - and did - play all five spots on both sides of the ball - just like Lebron does this season.

I'm not saying that he did this for a month of time or a whole season, but during the course of a game in his prime I'm sure Flip allowed KG to do so, and saw games as such.

[GreenFaith1819]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

How?

[Fafnir]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

If Ben Wallace/Ralph is PF is in there sure, but Kareem/Ralph are true Cs and O'Neal/KG both can shoot.

[StartOrien]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

How?

By letting defenses pack in, and giving less space for Kareem to operate. Much easier for a weak side defender to help out.

[StartOrien]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

If Ben Wallace/Ralph is PF is in there sure, but Kareem/Ralph are true Cs and O'Neal/KG both can shoot.

They can shoot, but for a SF they have some pretty limited range.

[nickagneta]

Magic Johnson once played all five positions in one very famous game his rookie year.

But I think he'll be playing PG for this Bulls team, thank you very much.

[wdleehi]

Greenfaith,

In the minutes you'd use KG at the 3, what would the rest of your lineup look like?

C - Kareem/Ralph
PF - Jermaine O'Neal/Ben Wallace/Ralph
SF - KG

I think you make it too easy on defenses by going to this lineup.

How?

By letting defenses pack in, and giving less space for Kareem to operate. Much easier for a weak side defender to help out.

Not a fan of this setup.  Kareem/KG is really tough to defend.  With two PF out there, it is easier to double Kareem.  Spacing is ruined and most teams have guys that can get back out from the post to the mid range shot at SF.