Secret Rondo Trade Conspiracy Thread...

[SHAQATTACK]

Poor Rondo, I'm afraid he is gonna be on a sinking ship.

He may ask to be traded to avoid the 2013 demise that waits us. I couldn't blame him really.

Let us hope Danny is sitting on a bag of tricks

[zimbo]

As good as Rondo is, He cant carry JP3 nor Westbrook's jstraps shoes

Yeah, Westbrook is exactly what this team needs, a guy who jacks up 20+ shots a night and barely passes to one of the best players in the league...

lol. every time someone overrates Westbrook, he costs his team a game with his wild play. seriously if I am the Thunder I would be vividly knocking down the Hornets door asking for CP3. Kevin wants him, I'm sure the fans do too. There is no reason for that series to go 7 games long. He (westbrook) made it possible. I don't want to hear anyone saying they want him here. no thanks. off topic. but I had to vent.

TP. Westbrook + (Players, picks, etc.) for CP3 might become a reality. I bet NO would jump on that real fast (sorry forum GMs). I'm sure CP3 would be highly likely to sign an extension on a team with Durant. They had great chemistry at this year's All-Star game. Plus, Westbrook can try to prove he is D-Rose on a team w/o the league's leading scorer. Works out for both teams.

[LilRip]

though i love Rondo, i submit that he's not the best PG in the league. i'll take CP3 and D-Rose before Rondo. so yeah, i probably place him 3rd in the league, tied with Westbrook. Westbrook has way too high of a usage rate, especially considering that he's playing with the league's best and most effortless scorer. Rondo's lack of scoring is a problem though. Teams load up on the 4 other players on the floor and put so much pressure on them. and if one of the other 4 aren't scorers (see: Perkins or JO), then it puts a LOT of pressure on the remaining 3.

[Kuberski1]

Anyone see Game 6 of OKC-MEM today?  Once again, Westbrook takes more shots than Durant, and Durant got so few touches, that on a few occasions, took rushed/bad shots.  That falls on Westbrook.

Rondo doesn't have an outside shot, but that's his only real failing.  FT% is low, but he shoots so few, I don't think it hurts that much.  He has a relatively high FG% for a point, and is a great passer, which Westbrook is not. 

If we are able to get CP3 in a Rondo trade, I think we would have to do it (depending on the other players in the deal)...if I am NO however, I take Rondo before Westbrook.  Westbrook will score more points, but Rondo will help you win more games.

[BballTim]

man he could be in the top 5 even elite talk without the response being a hard laugh falling down to the ground..

  Response by who?

  People tend to mock what they don't understand.

[BballTim]

Please note that I said "I suspect" and "neutral opinion" not that I had any hard evidence or that the opinion was "lowish".

  True, but your claim came in response to the statement that everyone outside of Boston have a lower opinion of Rondo than the locals. People sometimes try and bolster their arguments by claiming GMs and the like share their view, it's worth pointing out that there's evidence that they think he's a great defender but no evidence that they have a lower opinion of him than the media. Danny clearly doesn't.

I also wonder how long the "he is an all star" argument is going to hold up.  This year after Rose, there really wasn't another PG to beat him out in the east.  Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Nash, Parker, Billups all were in the west.  Now with Deron Williams and maybe even Billups in the east, I think Rondo's all star days are numbered.

  Yeah, people were great at making lists like this when they were assuring me that Rondo had absolutely no chance at all of ever making an all-star team unless he greatly improved his outside shooting and ft%.

Bottom line for me is that the Rondo is an MVP calibar player was a farce and even the Rondo is an all star was a stretch.  Remember Antoine was an all star once too but that didn't last long and he was good but not any more elite than Rondo.

  It's a stretch for you because you refuse to accept or understand that he can have a large positive impact on our offense despite his shooting woes. It certainly isn't a stretch for the coaches who vote Rondo an all-star. And, really, Antoine? That's how you see Rondo's career going? Really?

[Spicoli]

I would do a deal for Rondo in exchange for Stephen Curry and Udoh. Curry is an excellent shooter, gets a ton of steals, and has great court vision. Udoh gives us some much needed shot blocking and length. As far as what Golden State is getting, Rondo can facilitate their run and gun attack, and feed Ellis in all of his sweet spots.

The reason why i would be willing to see the team trade Rondo is because the Big 3 are no longer good enough to carry the offensive load. You have to have someone at the point guard position who can score. This in my opinion, is an absolute must in today's NBA.

[BballTim]

I would do a deal for Rondo in exchange for Stephen Curry and Udoh. Curry is an excellent shooter, gets a ton of steals, and has great court vision. Udoh gives us some much needed shot blocking and length. As far as what Golden State is getting, Rondo can facilitate their run and gun attack, and feed Ellis in all of his sweet spots.

The reason why i would be willing to see the team trade Rondo is because the Big 3 are no longer good enough to carry the offensive load. You have to have someone at the point guard position who can score. This in my opinion, is an absolute must in today's NBA.

  If they want more scoring from the point guard position, maybe they should just have Rondo score more. Over the last 3 years he's averaged about 17 a game in the playoffs, that's about what you'd get from Curry, maybe a little less. You lose a lot of passing with that trade. Rondo averaged 11 assists a game on the team with the fewest fga in the league, Curry averaged half that on the team with the most fga in the league.

[LB3533]

If you don't have the right pieces around Rondo, his game will suffer.

Rondo's offensive deficiencies will be compounded and magnified if you don't have shooters or athletes.

Assists are not about FGA's, they are about FGM's.

We've had a good shot making team for 4 years now.

[BballTim]

If you don't have the right pieces around Rondo, his game will suffer.

Rondo's offensive deficiencies will be compounded and magnified if you don't have shooters or athletes.

Assists are not about FGA's, they are about FGM's.

We've had a good shot making team for 4 years now.

  It's worth pointing out that our fg% is a lot better with Rondo playing than not. Put Rondo on a team with other shooters and their percentages might go up as well.

  And how many nba teams don't have any shooters or athletes?

[Spicoli]

I would do a deal for Rondo in exchange for Stephen Curry and Udoh. Curry is an excellent shooter, gets a ton of steals, and has great court vision. Udoh gives us some much needed shot blocking and length. As far as what Golden State is getting, Rondo can facilitate their run and gun attack, and feed Ellis in all of his sweet spots.

The reason why i would be willing to see the team trade Rondo is because the Big 3 are no longer good enough to carry the offensive load. You have to have someone at the point guard position who can score. This in my opinion, is an absolute must in today's NBA.

  If they want more scoring from the point guard position, maybe they should just have Rondo score more. Over the last 3 years he's averaged about 17 a game in the playoffs, that's about what you'd get from Curry, maybe a little less. You lose a lot of passing with that trade. Rondo averaged 11 assists a game on the team with the fewest fga in the league, Curry averaged half that on the team with the most fga in the league.

I'm not sure why Curry didn't rack up more assists in GS. I think Dick Vitale once said that Stephen Curry is one of the best passers he has ever seen. Could be the fact that the ball is always in Ellis' hands. Rondo's only method of scoring is by driving in for layups. He cannot generate points from jumpshots or free throws. Curry on the other hand, can generate points anywhere on the floor, and he can put up 20 points very quickly. He's still young, and i think he would be willing to grow in Boston.

[BballTim]

I would do a deal for Rondo in exchange for Stephen Curry and Udoh. Curry is an excellent shooter, gets a ton of steals, and has great court vision. Udoh gives us some much needed shot blocking and length. As far as what Golden State is getting, Rondo can facilitate their run and gun attack, and feed Ellis in all of his sweet spots.

The reason why i would be willing to see the team trade Rondo is because the Big 3 are no longer good enough to carry the offensive load. You have to have someone at the point guard position who can score. This in my opinion, is an absolute must in today's NBA.

  If they want more scoring from the point guard position, maybe they should just have Rondo score more. Over the last 3 years he's averaged about 17 a game in the playoffs, that's about what you'd get from Curry, maybe a little less. You lose a lot of passing with that trade. Rondo averaged 11 assists a game on the team with the fewest fga in the league, Curry averaged half that on the team with the most fga in the league.

I'm not sure why Curry didn't rack up more assists in GS. I think Dick Vitale once said that Stephen Curry is one of the best passers he has ever seen. Could be the fact that the ball is always in Ellis' hands. Rondo's only method of scoring is by driving in for layups. He cannot generate points from jumpshots or free throws. Curry on the other hand, can generate points anywhere on the floor, and he can put up 20 points very quickly. He's still young, and i think he would be willing to grow in Boston.

  I remember Curry being a great shooter, don't remember his passing standing out but I only saw him play in the tourney in college.

[Moranis]

Rondo is a top five PG in this league. He is a very good assist guy but, a PG is supposed to make his foul shots; at list he should be in the 80% range.

He should at the very least get 73-75% from the line. That's the league average.

Of the 31 point guards that qualified for stats i.e. played enough games or had enough attempts (Rondo did not), Mike Conley Jr. had the lowest FT% at 73.3%.  Only 6 of the 31 were below 80%.  PG's are supposed to hit their foul shots and do in fact hit them.

[Celtics18]

problem is Rondo's shot is never going get better unless he makes fundamental changes in his form and release - amazing someone as talented as him was allowed to continue that awful shooting form without some correction along the way.

But, his jump shooting has gotten better.

[RyNye]

He has a relatively high FG% for a point, and is a great passer, which Westbrook is not.

Rondo is a great passer, arguably the best point guard at passing (only Jason Kidd really rivals him in that regard). However, Rondo's true shooting percentage (49.5%) this past season is not high for a point guard. In fact, it ranks him as 51st, with only 13 point guards in the league worse at shooting. That said, 7 of the ones that are worse than him are starters as well.

Of the 31 point guards that qualified for stats i.e. played enough games or had enough attempts (Rondo did not), Mike Conley Jr. had the lowest FT% at 73.3%.  Only 6 of the 31 were below 80%.  PG's are supposed to hit their foul shots and do in fact hit them.

Oh, I agree with you. My point is that Rondo's foul shooting is horrible (56.8% this past season), and at the very least he should improve to the league average for all positions, which hovers between 73 and 75 percent. Also Mike Bibby's FT% was 62.9%, which is lower than Conley (and I believe the only PG besides Rondo below the league average). It would be nice if Rondo could get into normal point guard range, which is around 84%, if I recall correctly, but he is so far below that threshold he should work first on becoming an average NBA FT shooter.

But, his jump shooting has gotten better

When he entered the league, his FG% was around 41.8% (188-450). He improved significantly over the championship season (jumping up to 49.2% on 351-713). However, the past three seasons he has not improved (peaking at 50.8% last year, on 459-904, and regressing to 47.5% this year, on 318-670).