Secret Rondo Trade Conspiracy Thread...

[zimbo]

Lol@JP3

[ejk3489]

As good as Rondo is, He cant carry JP3 nor Westbrook's jstraps shoes

Yeah, Westbrook is exactly what this team needs, a guy who jacks up 20+ shots a night and barely passes to one of the best players in the league...

[LooseCannon]

Is there any starting point guard in the league that shoots free throws and 3point fga worse than Rondo?

Chris Duhon had a worse free throw percentage and Andre Miller had a worse 3 point percentage.

Great so he is not the worst just the second worst in each category. Brilliant

edit: wait a minute Duhon isnt a starter??

Oops, missed the starting part.  But Miller's 10.8% 3pt shooting percentage is sick.  You'd think that would be unpossible for a player who hit 85.3% of his free throws.

[RyNye]

Is there any starting point guard in the league that shoots free throws and 3point fga worse than Rondo?

Rondo has the worst free throw percentage of any starting point guard in the NBA, at 56.8% this past regular season. The next worst is Mike Bibby, with 62.9%. The only point guard in the entire league worse than Rondo at 3-point shooting is T.J. Ford (but I don't think he starts anymore).

On the other hand, Rondo is still the 16th best point guard in the league this past year (he was in the top 10 the past two years). He has the second-best assist ratio, after Jason Kidd, and 4th best rebounder at that position. He's also handy at steals, and is on the All-NBA 1st Defensive Team this year.

So, yes, it is embarrassing that he is the worst at free throws, 3 pointers, and is very low on the list in true field goal percentage. That said, it is a testament to his skill that he can still be considered one of the best point guards in the league despite that handicap.

[Eja117]

The more I think about it, the more I think Rondo is a goner... I think Ainge knows what Rondo is, an above average point guard who is regarded as a Top PG because of his situation. I think he is going to be heavily shopped this off season.

When the Big 3, or part of the Big 3 is gone, Rondo is going to become devalued quickly. He would be tougher to trade and you might not want to live with him, his attitude, and his up and down play for the future. Rondo won't be the same guy without those guys to inflate his assist totals and open up the floor for him.

I think Rondo is OVERvalued at this point and Ainge has a real shot to cash in on that and extend the life of this team's viability.

I can really see a Rondo for Conley/Marc Gasol type deal where a small market team wants a star PG and doesn't want to pay a guy who is up for a contract... I am just throwing that out there, but I could also seeing them trying to package him with picks and another player to try to land CP3 or Deron.

I like Rondo, but Ainge is a business man... I think he sees Rondo as his one monster chip, and I think he looks to cash it in.

Personally I think Rondo's value will actually go up when the Big 3 leave. For one thing I'm not sure they'll all leave at the same time, so he will incrementally get better in the eyes of most people

Second I'm just hoping Danny doesn't trade him for something absurdly stupid like...DeMar Derozen and Jose Calderon and a draft pick and then insist Avery Bradley is a top 5 pick this year and a great player, and that Deronzen is top 10 at his position and that they really believe in Calderon.


And I object to this whole Danny as snake oil salesman thing.  Snake oil salesman implies some sort of skill in sales and being able to impress people with the things he says and being convincing. Danny is none of that.   It's very insulting to snake oil salesmen

[JoT]

That said, it is a testament to his skill that he can still be considered one of the best point guards in the league despite that handicap.[/b]

That part is almost what Rose said about Rondo. He said he's the only point guard he's played against that doesn't shoot as much or at all and can still impact the game offensively. I don't know what Danny is gonna do and I don't know how good Rondo will be without the Big 3, but when his colleagues are giving him props and when analysts like Magic, Kenny and Webber are giving him props, that must mean something.
The man can't shoot too well and his free throw percentage is embarrassing and atrocious especially for a guard a point guard at that, but it must be something about him to keep getting recognition for his play and keep getting put in the top 5 or 10 best point guards in the league.
I just wish he get a jump shot and learn to free throw well and consistently. I hope once he heals he gets to practice and become better. Once he gets that and keeps in consistently, man he could be in the top 5 even elite talk without the response being a hard laugh falling down to the ground..

[JoT]

As good as Rondo is, He cant carry JP3 nor Westbrook's jstraps shoes

The same Westbook that KEEPS killing Oklahoma being the ball hog when he has a better shooter on his team. The same Westbrook that is starting to be compared to Stephon Marbury.

[tenn_smoothie]

problem is Rondo's shot is never going get better unless he makes fundamental changes in his form and release - amazing someone as talented as him was allowed to continue that awful shooting form without some correction along the way.

[Dante]

Rondo is a top five PG in this league. He is a very good assist guy but, a PG is supposed to make his foul shots; at list he should be in the 80% range. You win a game scoring more points than the other team; be it with assists and or with assists and scoring yourself. I dont mind him not being a good 3 point shooter - but he should make enough of them so they have to guard him a little closer so he then can fly by his defender; then he can either score or have his assists, or get fouled. He fails at this.
One more thing he gets a lot of assists, sure, but  a bunch of them come as a result of him not scoring on purpose an easy basket so he can pass the ball so he can jack up his assists. I don't believe that is sound and responsible basketball. Many things bad can happen when you do that.
If you are two feet away from the basket. Score it and finish the play- don't just wait for another player to arrive and score it so you can have an assists - that's playing for your stats, not for the team. It least that's the impression he gives to me. If you can score it easy - do it. He does'nt do it if he can have someone else do it and get an assist. And then everybody is impressed with how many assists he gets. Not necessarily, in my book. 

[RyNye]

Rondo is a top five PG in this league. He is a very good assist guy but, a PG is supposed to make his foul shots; at list he should be in the 80% range.

He should at the very least get 73-75% from the line. That's the league average.

[Vermont Green]

I suspect that most of the other 29 GM's are smarter than the "national media" and have Rondo's value pegged more neutrally.

  Again, find any evidence that GMs have a lowish opinion of Rondo.

Please note that I said "I suspect" and "neutral opinion" not that I had any hard evidence or that the opinion was "lowish".

I know holding this opinion is rubbing many the wrong way but I think Rondo's contribution to the Celtics is overrated.  That doesn't mean I think he is a bad player or a bad guy, just certainly not elite like Chris Paul or Rose.

I also wonder how long the "he is an all star" argument is going to hold up.  This year after Rose, there really wasn't another PG to beat him out in the east.  Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Nash, Parker, Billups all were in the west.  Now with Deron Williams and maybe even Billups in the east, I think Rondo's all star days are numbered.

Bottom line for me is that the Rondo is an MVP calibar player was a farce and even the Rondo is an all star was a stretch.  Remember Antoine was an all star once too but that didn't last long and he was good but not any more elite than Rondo.

[KindBass]

I suspect that most of the other 29 GM's are smarter than the "national media" and have Rondo's value pegged more neutrally.

  Again, find any evidence that GMs have a lowish opinion of Rondo.

Please note that I said "I suspect" and "neutral opinion" not that I had any hard evidence or that the opinion was "lowish".

I know holding this opinion is rubbing many the wrong way but I think Rondo's contribution to the Celtics is overrated.  That doesn't mean I think he is a bad player or a bad guy, just certainly not elite like Chris Paul or Rose.

I also wonder how long the "he is an all star" argument is going to hold up.  This year after Rose, there really wasn't another PG to beat him out in the east.  Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Nash, Parker, Billups all were in the west.  Now with Deron Williams and maybe even Billups in the east, I think Rondo's all star days are numbered.

Bottom line for me is that the Rondo is an MVP calibar player was a farce and even the Rondo is an all star was a stretch.  Remember Antoine was an all star once too but that didn't last long and he was good but not any more elite than Rondo.

I'm a huge Rondo fan going back to watching him play summer league games, splitting time with Sebastian Telfair.  But I'm afraid you're right.  Derrick Rose and Deron Williams are perennial all-stars, Chris Paul might be in the East soon, and John Wall is only going to get better and better.  Rondo has a lot of holes in his game that he needs to fill if he's going to be taking all-star appearances away from those guys.  And over the past couple seasons, it seems his jumper is getting worse, not better.  As much as everyone loves Rondo (he's like the Pedroia/Wes Welker of the Celts)  I wouldn't be shocked if Danny Ainge made a phone call to Chris Wallace this offseason.

[ejk3489]

I suspect that most of the other 29 GM's are smarter than the "national media" and have Rondo's value pegged more neutrally.

  Again, find any evidence that GMs have a lowish opinion of Rondo.

Please note that I said "I suspect" and "neutral opinion" not that I had any hard evidence or that the opinion was "lowish".

I know holding this opinion is rubbing many the wrong way but I think Rondo's contribution to the Celtics is overrated.  That doesn't mean I think he is a bad player or a bad guy, just certainly not elite like Chris Paul or Rose.

I also wonder how long the "he is an all star" argument is going to hold up.  This year after Rose, there really wasn't another PG to beat him out in the east.  Westbrook, Williams, Paul, Nash, Parker, Billups all were in the west.  Now with Deron Williams and maybe even Billups in the east, I think Rondo's all star days are numbered.

Bottom line for me is that the Rondo is an MVP calibar player was a farce and even the Rondo is an all star was a stretch.  Remember Antoine was an all star once too but that didn't last long and he was good but not any more elite than Rondo.

What point guard or guard in the East do you think deserved or will deserve a spot on the All-Star team over Rondo besides Deron? ...Jameer Nelson? Holliday? Jennings? Hinrich? Fields?

[dasani]

As good as Rondo is, He cant carry JP3 nor Westbrook's jstraps shoes

Yeah, Westbrook is exactly what this team needs, a guy who jacks up 20+ shots a night and barely passes to one of the best players in the league...

lol. every time someone overrates Westbrook, he costs his team a game with his wild play. seriously if I am the Thunder I would be vividly knocking down the Hornets door asking for CP3. Kevin wants him, I'm sure the fans do too. There is no reason for that series to go 7 games long. He (westbrook) made it possible. I don't want to hear anyone saying they want him here. no thanks. off topic. but I had to vent.

[rtifishul]

After that dislocated elbow, I'm backing Rondo all the way. This guy is for real, and actually, I'm glad he's got a longer offseason to get healthy(barring a lockout).

We can gripe about his FT percentage, which is an admittedly a problem, but I have faith that he'll fix it. I don't care about his ability to shoot the three, I just wanna see him develop a good mid-range.  He made improvements on it this year, and it'll surely improve next year.