Secret Rondo Trade Conspiracy Thread...

[wdleehi]

There are only three PGs I would trade Rondo for without wanting more back.


Paul
Williams
Rose




That's it.



On a side note, the only other players I would trade Rondo for are a follows

Howard
Lebron
Wade
Durrant
Griffin
Amare


Maybe Melo.  


The other players I would considered equal or better the Rondo are on the wrong end of their careers.  

[LilRip]

Maybe Melo.  

uhm, no. the other players on your list were fine though. but Melo is pretty much a one-trick pony (scoring).

[birdwatcher]

I subscribe to this, rickyfan3.0... I think Rondo is shopped hard this offseason for all the reasons you mentioned in the OP.

However, I don't think there's  anyway Memphis does that deal. What about:

Rondo, Green, Baby and the Clipper 1st rounder for Chris Paul and Ariza?

That's giving up too much, IMO.
Plus, CP3 has to want to come here to make it work, much like the Melo fiasco(s) this season.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Rondo won't be talked about this summer, but if Danny is going forward with the big 3, Rondo has to be apart of it. We need a bench with this group, so trading away all our role players for a starting PG (which honestly isn't our biggest need) doesn't make sense. If CP3 came here, and played with Allen, Garnett, Pierce & JO, how could we afford to bring in 4 other guys to back them up, and how good would they be for the price? We'd be set up just like Miami, but worse because our big 3 is not as young and athletic anymore.

Long story short, unless the big 3 is broken up, Rondo stays.

[Roy H.]

But, his jump shooting has gotten better

When he entered the league, his FG% was around 41.8% (188-450). He improved significantly over the championship season (jumping up to 49.2% on 351-713). However, the past three seasons he has not improved (peaking at 50.8% last year, on 459-904, and regressing to 47.5% this year, on 318-670).

There are stats now available to track his jump shooting, beyond his FG%:

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Rajon%20Rondo

As you can see, Rondo's jumper in particular hasn't got much better at all over the past three years.

[Celtics18]

But, his jump shooting has gotten better

When he entered the league, his FG% was around 41.8% (188-450). He improved significantly over the championship season (jumping up to 49.2% on 351-713). However, the past three seasons he has not improved (peaking at 50.8% last year, on 459-904, and regressing to 47.5% this year, on 318-670).

There are stats now available to track his jump shooting, beyond his FG%:

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Rajon%20Rondo

As you can see, Rondo's jumper in particular hasn't got much better at all over the past three years.

I'm surprised that he shot so well from outside during the '08 and '09 seasons.  It looks like the '09-'10 season poor shooting on the midrange jumper was an aberration.  

I guess I'm wrong.  Rondo's been a pretty good jump shooter for a while.

[BballTim]

But, his jump shooting has gotten better

When he entered the league, his FG% was around 41.8% (188-450). He improved significantly over the championship season (jumping up to 49.2% on 351-713). However, the past three seasons he has not improved (peaking at 50.8% last year, on 459-904, and regressing to 47.5% this year, on 318-670).

There are stats now available to track his jump shooting, beyond his FG%:

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Rajon%20Rondo

As you can see, Rondo's jumper in particular hasn't got much better at all over the past three years.

  I'd say that Rondo's taking those long jumpers with more frequency and confidence and, aside from his late season slump, was hitting a lot more of them than usual.

  Take a look at the four ranges inside the three point line (rim, 3-9, 10-15, 16-23). One thing you'll notice is that for each of these ranges Rondo's career fg% is *higher* than the average for point guards in the nba in 2010/2011. And while Rondo (like everyone else in the league) sees his numbers fluctuate from season to season, he's been above average in each of those ranges in three of his five seasons in the league.

  This doesn't mean that he's a good free throw shooter, a good three point shooter (although I'd argue that those numbers are more reflective of last second heaves than anything else) or even a good or great jump shooter. But people act like he's the worst shooter in the league, or one of the worst in history, and that there's no way he'll ever be a decent shooter. I don't think that this is really the case.

[JoT]

man he could be in the top 5 even elite talk without the response being a hard laugh falling down to the ground..

  Response by who?

  People tend to mock what they don't understand.

I'm just saying when I speak to other people who are basketball fans they tend to laugh when I bring up Rondo in that top point guard talk. Everyone says the same thing about his shooting and says that if he improves he could be one of the best. I hate seeing people make fun if him because of his shooting woes, but I just wish he could get it down and consistently. He could actually be a scary good point guard if he played and shot well consistently.
One thing though is that I've seen shockingly Laker fans that like him as a player because of not only last year playoffs, but with recently him coming back from elbow injury. They feel he's tough and has a lot of heart and love players like him. They also feel he could in some odd way help Kobe and give him his spots like his does in Boston. They laugh at his shooting problems, but feel he could help the Lakers.

[CoachBo]

I subscribe to this, rickyfan3.0... I think Rondo is shopped hard this offseason for all the reasons you mentioned in the OP.

However, I don't think there's  anyway Memphis does that deal. What about:

Rondo, Green, Baby and the Clipper 1st rounder for Chris Paul and Ariza?

That's giving up too much, IMO.
Plus, CP3 has to want to come here to make it work, much like the Melo fiasco(s) this season.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Rondo won't be talked about this summer, but if Danny is going forward with the big 3, Rondo has to be apart of it. We need a bench with this group, so trading away all our role players for a starting PG (which honestly isn't our biggest need) doesn't make sense. If CP3 came here, and played with Allen, Garnett, Pierce & JO, how could we afford to bring in 4 other guys to back them up, and how good would they be for the price? We'd be set up just like Miami, but worse because our big 3 is not as young and athletic anymore.

Long story short, unless the big 3 is broken up, Rondo stays.

Totally disagree with this.

Rondo was the perfect point for the Big 3 when they were assembled - a distributor with defensive possibilities.

But as the Big 3 have aged from marquee scorers into complementary pieces, he becomes incrementally more a squarish peg in a round hole - because he can't score the basketball consistently at all. As Pierce, Garnett and Allen struggle more to score with age, Rondo becomes a steadily worse fit.

If Rondo stays, the Big 3 need to be broken up and scorers obtained, or we're going to struggle more and more to score.

If the Big 3 stays, a scoring point guard becomes essential.

[BballTim]

I subscribe to this, rickyfan3.0... I think Rondo is shopped hard this offseason for all the reasons you mentioned in the OP.

However, I don't think there's  anyway Memphis does that deal. What about:

Rondo, Green, Baby and the Clipper 1st rounder for Chris Paul and Ariza?

That's giving up too much, IMO.
Plus, CP3 has to want to come here to make it work, much like the Melo fiasco(s) this season.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Rondo won't be talked about this summer, but if Danny is going forward with the big 3, Rondo has to be apart of it. We need a bench with this group, so trading away all our role players for a starting PG (which honestly isn't our biggest need) doesn't make sense. If CP3 came here, and played with Allen, Garnett, Pierce & JO, how could we afford to bring in 4 other guys to back them up, and how good would they be for the price? We'd be set up just like Miami, but worse because our big 3 is not as young and athletic anymore.

Long story short, unless the big 3 is broken up, Rondo stays.

Totally disagree with this.

Rondo was the perfect point for the Big 3 when they were assembled - a distributor with defensive possibilities.

But as the Big 3 have aged from marquee scorers into complementary pieces, he becomes incrementally more a squarish peg in a round hole - because he can't score the basketball consistently at all. As Pierce, Garnett and Allen struggle more to score with age, Rondo becomes a steadily worse fit.

If Rondo stays, the Big 3 need to be broken up and scorers obtained, or we're going to struggle more and more to score.

If the Big 3 stays, a scoring point guard becomes essential.

  I'll somewhat disagree with this. I agree we could use more scoring than we got last year from the pg position but nothing beyond what Rondo's capable of scoring. But beyond that, I see things a little differently.

  First of all I don't think it's really true that the big three "struggle to score" or even that the team does. Our TS% was almost the same as it was in 2008. Slightly lower, but that can almost all be attributed to our play when Rondo was doing poorly. Our TS% in the playoffs this year was our highest ever. All of the big three score more efficiently now than they did in 2008. There's one real reason we score less now than we did then, offensive rebounding, and a scoring pg won't help with that.

  Ray and Paul scored about a point a game less last year than in 2008. KG's down about 4 points, hence the need for a little more scoring, but that can also come from our center or our bench. Rondo isn't becoming a square peg in a round hole, he's becoming a more vital piece to our overall success.

[Potapenko Boxout]

If you move Rondo, you will all know hard what his true value is to this team. Similar to what happened with Posey, Perkins, Tony Allen.

Trading Rondo will be the end of the Boston Celtics.

a little  dramatic

[GreenEnvy]

If you move Rondo, you will all know hard what his true value is to this team. Similar to what happened with Posey, Perkins, Tony Allen.

Trading Rondo will be the end of the Boston Celtics.

a little  dramatic

True.

Two we let walk, therefore getting nothing in return.

Rondo has value, the other's don't. He has made more All-Star Games already than the three of them combined ever will.

[CoachBo]

I subscribe to this, rickyfan3.0... I think Rondo is shopped hard this offseason for all the reasons you mentioned in the OP.

However, I don't think there's  anyway Memphis does that deal. What about:

Rondo, Green, Baby and the Clipper 1st rounder for Chris Paul and Ariza?

That's giving up too much, IMO.
Plus, CP3 has to want to come here to make it work, much like the Melo fiasco(s) this season.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Rondo won't be talked about this summer, but if Danny is going forward with the big 3, Rondo has to be apart of it. We need a bench with this group, so trading away all our role players for a starting PG (which honestly isn't our biggest need) doesn't make sense. If CP3 came here, and played with Allen, Garnett, Pierce & JO, how could we afford to bring in 4 other guys to back them up, and how good would they be for the price? We'd be set up just like Miami, but worse because our big 3 is not as young and athletic anymore.

Long story short, unless the big 3 is broken up, Rondo stays.

Totally disagree with this.

Rondo was the perfect point for the Big 3 when they were assembled - a distributor with defensive possibilities.

But as the Big 3 have aged from marquee scorers into complementary pieces, he becomes incrementally more a squarish peg in a round hole - because he can't score the basketball consistently at all. As Pierce, Garnett and Allen struggle more to score with age, Rondo becomes a steadily worse fit.

If Rondo stays, the Big 3 need to be broken up and scorers obtained, or we're going to struggle more and more to score.

If the Big 3 stays, a scoring point guard becomes essential.

  I'll somewhat disagree with this. I agree we could use more scoring than we got last year from the pg position but nothing beyond what Rondo's capable of scoring. But beyond that, I see things a little differently.

  First of all I don't think it's really true that the big three "struggle to score" or even that the team does. Our TS% was almost the same as it was in 2008. Slightly lower, but that can almost all be attributed to our play when Rondo was doing poorly. Our TS% in the playoffs this year was our highest ever. All of the big three score more efficiently now than they did in 2008. There's one real reason we score less now than we did then, offensive rebounding, and a scoring pg won't help with that.

  Ray and Paul scored about a point a game less last year than in 2008. KG's down about 4 points, hence the need for a little more scoring, but that can also come from our center or our bench. Rondo isn't becoming a square peg in a round hole, he's becoming a more vital piece to our overall success.

Another laughable attempt at sabremetrics.

I've got one for you: The end of games. It's called the "loss column." 16-0 runs, stuff like that.

Rondo is not improving - at all - scoring the basketball, let alone foul shots. If we cannot surround him with reliable 48 minute scorers, he's going to be exposed - as he has been - in a 4-on-5 offensive dilemma that's aging rapidly into 3-on-5 cumulatively.

If you insist on keeping him - and the mere vision of this blog's reaction to a Rondo trade makes me laugh out loud - then he MUST be surrounded with competent offensive players, not aging stars who can no longer be relied upon to score consistently - at crunch time against the league's best teams.

If not, then pick up the phone and call New Orleans and New Jersey.

[BballTim]

I subscribe to this, rickyfan3.0... I think Rondo is shopped hard this offseason for all the reasons you mentioned in the OP.

However, I don't think there's  anyway Memphis does that deal. What about:

Rondo, Green, Baby and the Clipper 1st rounder for Chris Paul and Ariza?

That's giving up too much, IMO.
Plus, CP3 has to want to come here to make it work, much like the Melo fiasco(s) this season.

I'm not foolish enough to think that Rondo won't be talked about this summer, but if Danny is going forward with the big 3, Rondo has to be apart of it. We need a bench with this group, so trading away all our role players for a starting PG (which honestly isn't our biggest need) doesn't make sense. If CP3 came here, and played with Allen, Garnett, Pierce & JO, how could we afford to bring in 4 other guys to back them up, and how good would they be for the price? We'd be set up just like Miami, but worse because our big 3 is not as young and athletic anymore.

Long story short, unless the big 3 is broken up, Rondo stays.

Totally disagree with this.

Rondo was the perfect point for the Big 3 when they were assembled - a distributor with defensive possibilities.

But as the Big 3 have aged from marquee scorers into complementary pieces, he becomes incrementally more a squarish peg in a round hole - because he can't score the basketball consistently at all. As Pierce, Garnett and Allen struggle more to score with age, Rondo becomes a steadily worse fit.

If Rondo stays, the Big 3 need to be broken up and scorers obtained, or we're going to struggle more and more to score.

If the Big 3 stays, a scoring point guard becomes essential.

  I'll somewhat disagree with this. I agree we could use more scoring than we got last year from the pg position but nothing beyond what Rondo's capable of scoring. But beyond that, I see things a little differently.

  First of all I don't think it's really true that the big three "struggle to score" or even that the team does. Our TS% was almost the same as it was in 2008. Slightly lower, but that can almost all be attributed to our play when Rondo was doing poorly. Our TS% in the playoffs this year was our highest ever. All of the big three score more efficiently now than they did in 2008. There's one real reason we score less now than we did then, offensive rebounding, and a scoring pg won't help with that.

  Ray and Paul scored about a point a game less last year than in 2008. KG's down about 4 points, hence the need for a little more scoring, but that can also come from our center or our bench. Rondo isn't becoming a square peg in a round hole, he's becoming a more vital piece to our overall success.

Another laughable attempt at sabremetrics.

I've got one for you: The end of games. It's called the "loss column." 16-0 runs, stuff like that.

  Haha. When your observations of what's happening on the court doesn't match reality, laugh it off because those are "just stats". TS% (one of those wacky stats) measures how many points a team or players score per shot. We're near the league leaders in points per shot and we're among the league leaders in fg%. Funny aside: the fact that we make a higher percentage of our shots than other teams is a laughable way of explaining that we *don't* struggle to score.

  In 07-08 we got 12 offensive rebounds a game. We now get about 7. So we get about 5 fewer possessions a game now, we score just over a point a possession, and overall we score about 4 ppp less than we did in 07-08. That's just a funny way of explaining to you that if we got the same number of offensive rebounds now as we did then we'd score *more* than we did then. This is because we don't struggle to score in general. It's also a somewhat sneaky way of saying that "There's one real reason we score less now than we did then, offensive rebounding" was  correct, even though you need a rudimentary understanding of math to see it.

Rondo is not improving - at all - scoring the basketball, let alone foul shots.

  Sure, if you want to call taking more outside shots and making more of them not improving - at all - then you're right. Again, he's clearly capable ov scoring more than he does, he's averaged 17 a game over the last three playoffs, even though most of those games were against top defenses. Sorry, I used "stats" again. They have no place in sports, especially if they don't match your opinion of the game.