Author Topic: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes  (Read 34956 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2011, 05:13:44 PM »

Offline Chris

  • Global Moderator
  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18008
  • Tommy Points: 642
Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.
But not a very good one

The funny thing is, he may actually be right.  This draft is horrible, and I would not be surprised if there are players that have worse careers than Bradley that go in the top 5-10 picks.  I mean, is anyone positive Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Jonas Valaniunas are going to be better NBA players than Bradley?

Had Bradley gone back to school, I think he very well could have convinced a team in the top 5 picks to waste a pick on him.  

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2011, 05:15:02 PM »

Offline kozlodoev

  • NCE
  • Kevin Garnett
  • *****************
  • Posts: 17914
  • Tommy Points: 1294
Interesting. He has said several times "If" Jeff Green is back next year, and he also has mentioned the possibility of Pierce coming off the bench. Then quickly said that was a hypothetical.

Also said he thinks Shaq will retire and he does not know if JO will be back. Darn, the Celtics need a center.
I wonder if this means JO is retiring or going elsewhere

He said the JO needs to take some time to get his head straight before he decided whether he wants to come back or not. I think he also mentioned that JO may need surgery on his wrist, but I may have heard that wrong.
JO said that he's contemplating retirement for personal, not medical reasons. I guess we'll have to wait and see how that goes.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2011, 05:15:32 PM »

Offline vinnie

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8654
  • Tommy Points: 429
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Yes. He said there is a decent chance Glen could be back. Also was asked about his weight, etc. and he said that Glen has a weight clause in his contract or something like that and that Glen did very well in terms of that clause. I find that hard to believe just looking at the guy.
Just looking at the guy, he doesn't look like he gained much weight as the season progressed. Just because Heinsohn blabbered about something on TV doesn't make it true.

Jackie McMullen also wrote that he gained 15 or so pounds and Bob Ryan said the same exact thing on the radio the other day. Maybe they are all wrong.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2011, 05:15:48 PM »

Offline Eja117

  • NCE
  • Bill Sharman
  • *******************
  • Posts: 19274
  • Tommy Points: 1254
Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.
But not a very good one

The funny thing is, he may actually be right.  This draft is horrible, and I would not be surprised if there are players that have worse careers than Bradley that go in the top 5-10 picks.  I mean, is anyone positive Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Jonas Valaniunas are going to be better NBA players than Bradley?

Had Bradley gone back to school, I think he very well could have convinced a team in the top 5 picks to waste a pick on him.  
Couldn't you use that argument for any player that came out last year? His point doesn't really make me feel much better

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2011, 05:16:41 PM »

Offline vinnie

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8654
  • Tommy Points: 429
Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.
But not a very good one

The funny thing is, he may actually be right.  This draft is horrible, and I would not be surprised if there are players that have worse careers than Bradley that go in the top 5-10 picks.  I mean, is anyone positive Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Jonas Valaniunas are going to be better NBA players than Bradley?

Had Bradley gone back to school, I think he very well could have convinced a team in the top 5 picks to waste a pick on him.  

Honestly, who even knows how good a player Jimmer Fredette is going to be?

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2011, 05:18:21 PM »

Offline Chris

  • Global Moderator
  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18008
  • Tommy Points: 642
Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.
But not a very good one

The funny thing is, he may actually be right.  This draft is horrible, and I would not be surprised if there are players that have worse careers than Bradley that go in the top 5-10 picks.  I mean, is anyone positive Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Jonas Valaniunas are going to be better NBA players than Bradley?

Had Bradley gone back to school, I think he very well could have convinced a team in the top 5 picks to waste a pick on him.  

Honestly, who even knows how good a player Jimmer Fredette is going to be?

Exactly.  And I can certainly see teams falling more in love with an athletic freak like Bradley in a draft like this, when the other options are guys like the Jimmer and Walker.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2011, 05:18:41 PM »

Offline bbd24

  • NCE
  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1362
  • Tommy Points: 118
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

Nah, they dont have a clue on JO.  Question tho, in what way does Jeff Green not signing with the team effect the ability to sign someone next year ?

i.e. Is Dalembert a legit option if Green is signed by another team ?  or is there room for a Dalembert type if Green signs with the C's ?

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2011, 05:19:33 PM »

Offline kozlodoev

  • NCE
  • Kevin Garnett
  • *****************
  • Posts: 17914
  • Tommy Points: 1294
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Yes. He said there is a decent chance Glen could be back. Also was asked about his weight, etc. and he said that Glen has a weight clause in his contract or something like that and that Glen did very well in terms of that clause. I find that hard to believe just looking at the guy.
Just looking at the guy, he doesn't look like he gained much weight as the season progressed. Just because Heinsohn blabbered about something on TV doesn't make it true.

Jackie McMullen also wrote that he gained 15 or so pounds and Bob Ryan said the same exact thing on the radio the other day. Maybe they are all wrong.
Heinsohn said it first and they're all repeating it. Still doesn't make it necessarily true.

Yes, Davis was in somewhat worse shape after he had to sit out games with an injury mid-season, but he didn't gain 20 pounds.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2011, 05:20:35 PM »

Offline kozlodoev

  • NCE
  • Kevin Garnett
  • *****************
  • Posts: 17914
  • Tommy Points: 1294
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

Nah, they dont have a clue on JO.  Question tho, in what way does Jeff Green not signing with the team effect the ability to sign someone next year ?

i.e. Is Dalembert a legit option if Green is signed by another team ?  or is there room for a Dalembert type if Green signs with the C's ?
I fail to see how Green's situation will affect this, unless we trade Green for Dalembert.
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2011, 05:22:56 PM »

Offline Eja117

  • NCE
  • Bill Sharman
  • *******************
  • Posts: 19274
  • Tommy Points: 1254
If Avery Bradley really would be a top 5 pick in this draft then I'm entering the draft and expect to go late first round. Or they just need to cancel the draft and be like "Nope. We overfished the waters and this year the stock needs to catch up"

Personally I fully expect some 2nd rounders or undrafted guys like Taylor Battle to be significantly better than Avery.


Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2011, 05:23:17 PM »

Offline bbd24

  • NCE
  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1362
  • Tommy Points: 118
Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.
But not a very good one

The funny thing is, he may actually be right.  This draft is horrible, and I would not be surprised if there are players that have worse careers than Bradley that go in the top 5-10 picks.  I mean, is anyone positive Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Brandon Knight, and Jonas Valaniunas are going to be better NBA players than Bradley?

Had Bradley gone back to school, I think he very well could have convinced a team in the top 5 picks to waste a pick on him.  

Honestly, who even knows how good a player Jimmer Fredette is going to be?

Exactly.  And I can certainly see teams falling more in love with an athletic freak like Bradley in a draft like this, when the other options are guys like the Jimmer and Walker.

I actually believe DA in regards to Bradley. Easily top 5 if he stayed in college. This kid is as raw as it gets.  I don't think anybody outside of the players who have watched him practice know what we got in him yet.  Even they might not even know yet. You develop and coach a kid like that.  Can't count talent out like that for the future.  Especially since he's a 90's baby

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2011, 05:25:19 PM »

Online Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 63328
  • Tommy Points: -25459
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

Nah, they dont have a clue on JO.  Question tho, in what way does Jeff Green not signing with the team effect the ability to sign someone next year ?

i.e. Is Dalembert a legit option if Green is signed by another team ?  or is there room for a Dalembert type if Green signs with the C's ?

Even letting Green walk, we wouldn't have any cap room.  Heck, even if JO retired and all our free agents left, we'd still have around $48.5 million in salary committed, plus our 1st rounder, plus cap holds.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER... AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!

KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

Redshirt:  Cooper Flagg

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2011, 05:25:56 PM »

Offline bbd24

  • NCE
  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1362
  • Tommy Points: 118
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

Nah, they dont have a clue on JO.  Question tho, in what way does Jeff Green not signing with the team effect the ability to sign someone next year ?

i.e. Is Dalembert a legit option if Green is signed by another team ?  or is there room for a Dalembert type if Green signs with the C's ?
I fail to see how Green's situation will affect this, unless we trade Green for Dalembert.

Money saved from Green's contract partly goes to add another player ?  a la, Dalembert ?

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2011, 05:26:03 PM »

Offline Yogi

  • Don Chaney
  • *
  • Posts: 1606
  • Tommy Points: 255
   Jeff Green's defense is judged by what standards?  At various points he guarded Carmelo, Lebron, Bosh and Stoudemire in the playoffs.  He got bullied by some of these guys, some times and so did Paul Pierce and so would any other guy you put on them.
   Tony Allen would've done a better job on Lebron and Carmelo, but would not give us the flexibility to go small.  Jeff Green still has a more complete offensive game than Allen and Posey.
   How good were Rondo, Perk, Tony Allen, Davis etc. when they first joined the Celtics?  They all developed their talents well playing with the Big 3 under Doc.  Why is it unreasonable to expect the same from 24 year old Green and 27 year old Kristic?  
   Jeff Green is a good player with a ton of potential.  He did what was expected of him in the playoffs.  He shot very well from the field.  He did fumble passes, but that has more to do with Rondo's injury and lack of time to develop the right kind of chemistry.  To this day Jeff Green has not had more than a handful of practices and we expect this 24 year old to win us a series against Miami?
   It's tough to swallow the loss to Miami.  There were several factors that hurt us this year.  Injuries lead the list.  The chemistry we lost because of the Trade maybe a small factor.  The talent we lost is not one of them.  
   Rondo (elbow) and Delonte (wrist, ankle and shoulder) killed our offense.  There is a lot of talk about where Rondo would be without the Big-3, but this series showed to some extent how the Big-3 will struggle without Rondo.  
CelticsBlog DKC Pelicans
J. Lin/I. Canaan/N. Wolters
E. Gordon/A. Shved
N. Batum/A. Roberson
A. Davis/K. Olynyk/M. Scott
D. Cousins/A. Baynes/V. Faverani
Rights: A. Abrines, R. Neto, L. Jean-Charles  Coach: M. Williams

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2011, 05:29:04 PM »

Offline bbd24

  • NCE
  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1362
  • Tommy Points: 118
Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

Nah, they dont have a clue on JO.  Question tho, in what way does Jeff Green not signing with the team effect the ability to sign someone next year ?

i.e. Is Dalembert a legit option if Green is signed by another team ?  or is there room for a Dalembert type if Green signs with the C's ?

Even letting Green walk, we wouldn't have any cap room.  Heck, even if JO retired and all our free agents left, we'd still have around $48.5 million in salary committed, plus our 1st rounder, plus cap holds.

When do they go forth with the talks on the new deal (NBA/PA) ?  If any are scheduled, that is.