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Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #105 on: May 13, 2011, 12:24:50 PM »

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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.
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Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.

Yes, a snake oil salesman. He brought us 17 and this year he sold 18 down the river.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #107 on: May 13, 2011, 03:05:17 PM »

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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.

Yes, a snake oil salesman. He brought us 17 and this year he sold 18 down the river.

Even if I believed that, it would still be 100% worth it. 

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #108 on: May 13, 2011, 03:05:30 PM »

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Stop whinging he got the Big Three.

So since he got the big 3, he is off the hook for the rest of his career in Boston? I prefer a little accountability for the guy who is spending my money and other season ticketholders' money.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.

Yes, a snake oil salesman. He brought us 17 and this year he sold 18 down the river.

You cannot say that with 100% certainty. Perk wouldn't have kept Rondo from getting hurt, nor would he have kept JO's wrist from breaking.

Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #110 on: May 13, 2011, 03:08:06 PM »

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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.

Yes, a snake oil salesman. He brought us 17 and this year he sold 18 down the river.

You cannot say that with 100% certainty. Perk wouldn't have kept Rondo from getting hurt, nor would he have kept JO's wrist from breaking.



Who said he could trade Perk because he would have a healthy Shaq and Perk for the playoffs, or at least one of them? I know it wasn't me.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #111 on: May 13, 2011, 03:08:42 PM »

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Stop whinging he got the Big Three.

So since he got the big 3, he is off the hook for the rest of his career in Boston? I prefer a little accountability for the guy who is spending my money and other season ticketholders' money.

then you should hold the big three and doc accountable as well. They didn't object to the trade. So if you are going to be intellectually honest, you should splash them with just as much venom.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

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« Reply #112 on: May 13, 2011, 03:14:26 PM »

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Stop whinging he got the Big Three.

So since he got the big 3, he is off the hook for the rest of his career in Boston? I prefer a little accountability for the guy who is spending my money and other season ticketholders' money.

I think there is accountability there.  But as a season ticket holder myself, I also like the fact that he is weighing the future with the present with his moves, because frankly, if they go back to the lottery, I might not be renewing.

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Stop whinging he got the Big Three.

So since he got the big 3, he is off the hook for the rest of his career in Boston? I prefer a little accountability for the guy who is spending my money and other season ticketholders' money.
IMO You blaming Danny for costing us a couple of championships is as ridiculous as me blaming you.    The personnel was in place, injuries derailed us.  
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Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #114 on: May 13, 2011, 03:33:26 PM »

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The man who brought us 17 with all the great trades is a snake oil salesman.....wow I've heard it all.

Yes, a snake oil salesman. He brought us 17 and this year he sold 18 down the river.

You cannot say that with 100% certainty. Perk wouldn't have kept Rondo from getting hurt, nor would he have kept JO's wrist from breaking.



Who said he could trade Perk because he would have a healthy Shaq and Perk for the playoffs, or at least one of them? I know it wasn't me.

  Just curious, but how much blame should Danny really get for Shaq? I think we can all agree that Danny didn't personally do a medical exam on Shaq and come up with a prognosis. Are people assuming that the doctors said "Shaq's done" and Danny said "ok, I'm trading Perk because Shaq will be ready in two weeks", or that the Docs said "Shaq should be good to go in two weeks" and Danny should have said "I'm keeping Perk and letting Paul go without a backup because Shaq's done"?

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« Reply #115 on: May 13, 2011, 08:40:55 PM »

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people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

It's better than just saying what our eyes tell us and leaving it at that. For instance, when I watch Thunder games, it looks like Perk is really moving poorly (poorer than usual), but if I come out and say only that, it looks like a hollow argument meant to tear the guy down. So, I do the logical progression and just post the stats that back up my observations to skip the post where someone asks about my glasses or something of the like.

So, I'll just say that the Thunder have not performed very well with Perkins on the court compared to when he is off the court....offensively or defensively.

I'd also like to add that I've been playing team sports my whole life and that you can have the most Ubuntu-esque locker room in the world and still lose if you don't have the talent that the other team does.


what my eyes tell me is that the Thunder won a bunch of games after Perk started playing for them and that they also are on the brink of the Western finals, a full two rounds beyond what they ended up with last season ...... and please don't tell me that the Thunder are a year older and better because Durant and Westbrook are struggling in some ways they weren't last year.

you are absolutely correct that togetherness doesn't matter a wit if you don't have talent, but at the top of the NBA where talent is relatively even, togetherness and teamwork mean everything.

i do blame Danny and Danny alone for trading away #18 - might be the worst in-season trade by a contender ever. we keep Perk, we also keep Semih, who was a lot more productive than Kristic. you also bring in a veteran backup 3 to replace Daniels. with Perk back in playing major minutes, there is no way to predict what injuries would have ocurred.

you also have to blame Danny for his horrible judgement about Jeff Green. the poor guy didn't fit in with this team's playing style and he had basically no ability to rise to the competition and increased intensity of the playoffs. passivity and finesse was not what Boston needed.
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Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #116 on: May 13, 2011, 08:49:11 PM »

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people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

It's better than just saying what our eyes tell us and leaving it at that. For instance, when I watch Thunder games, it looks like Perk is really moving poorly (poorer than usual), but if I come out and say only that, it looks like a hollow argument meant to tear the guy down. So, I do the logical progression and just post the stats that back up my observations to skip the post where someone asks about my glasses or something of the like.

So, I'll just say that the Thunder have not performed very well with Perkins on the court compared to when he is off the court....offensively or defensively.

I'd also like to add that I've been playing team sports my whole life and that you can have the most Ubuntu-esque locker room in the world and still lose if you don't have the talent that the other team does.


what my eyes tell me is that the Thunder won a bunch of games after Perk started playing for them and that they also are on the brink of the Western finals

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

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Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2011, 08:58:25 PM »

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Vinnie...well stated

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #118 on: May 13, 2011, 10:30:31 PM »

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people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

It's better than just saying what our eyes tell us and leaving it at that. For instance, when I watch Thunder games, it looks like Perk is really moving poorly (poorer than usual), but if I come out and say only that, it looks like a hollow argument meant to tear the guy down. So, I do the logical progression and just post the stats that back up my observations to skip the post where someone asks about my glasses or something of the like.

So, I'll just say that the Thunder have not performed very well with Perkins on the court compared to when he is off the court....offensively or defensively.

I'd also like to add that I've been playing team sports my whole life and that you can have the most Ubuntu-esque locker room in the world and still lose if you don't have the talent that the other team does.


what my eyes tell me is that the Thunder won a bunch of games after Perk started playing for them and that they also are on the brink of the Western finals, a full two rounds beyond what they ended up with last season ...... and please don't tell me that the Thunder are a year older and better because Durant and Westbrook are struggling in some ways they weren't last year.

you are absolutely correct that togetherness doesn't matter a wit if you don't have talent, but at the top of the NBA where talent is relatively even, togetherness and teamwork mean everything.

i do blame Danny and Danny alone for trading away #18 - might be the worst in-season trade by a contender ever. we keep Perk, we also keep Semih, who was a lot more productive than Kristic. you also bring in a veteran backup 3 to replace Daniels. with Perk back in playing major minutes, there is no way to predict what injuries would have ocurred.

you also have to blame Danny for his horrible judgement about Jeff Green. the poor guy didn't fit in with this team's playing style and he had basically no ability to rise to the competition and increased intensity of the playoffs. passivity and finesse was not what Boston needed.

The reality was OKC was already winning before Perkins even played a game for them.

The insertion of Ibaka at the 4 and more minutes for James Harden catapulted the OKC Thunder on their winning ways.

You could have inserted just about any able bodied Center and they would have won.

About Durant and Westbrook's play this playoffs versus last year's playoffs.

2010 First Round

Westbrook: 20/6/6 on 47% shooting

Durant: 25/8/2 on 35% shooting


2011 First Round

Westbrook 24/6/6 on 40% shooting

Durant 32/6/4 on 47% shooting


OKC basically got the same production from Westbrook this 1st Round, but Durant flipped the switch this playoffs. I think Durant was a bit nervous last year being his first playoffs and all.

We basically had to face 2 Durants with the Heat....can't win even if we played our best...which we didn't.

We made too many mistakes...mistakes Kendrick Perkins could not cover up or make up for.

Re: Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes
« Reply #119 on: May 13, 2011, 10:33:52 PM »

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danny sellin something to help with joint pain?