Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes

[tenn_smoothie]

The thing is, no matter what Danny says, there will be a large number of people who agree with him, simply because he brought us a title.

I liked Danny as a player, and I like him as a GM.  He's not infallible, though; since the summer of 2008, he's made plenty of mistakes.

I agree Roy, but stuff like "expectations were too high" for Jeff Green really bug me. Danny was the guy pumping up Jeff Green when the Celts got him.

exactly, vinnie.

Ainge continues to make every excuse, justification and rationalization for the Celts decline after the Kendrick Perkins trade. the blunt truth is that Ainge screwed the Celtics up royally. he didn't understand his own team well enough to realize how much damage would be done by trading away one of their main guys. this group of Celtics thrived on togetherness and a shared motivation more than any other team in the league. anyone who followed the team could have told you that, but somehow the GM is clueless about his own team's greatest strengths.

bottom line is that Danny's ego got in the way and he just had to prove how smart he was with an ingenious trade that turned into a disaster. the day the trade went down, Perk was in tears and the Celtic veterans were furious - they never got over it. thanks Danny.

[kozlodoev]

bottom line is that Danny's ego got in the way and he just had to prove how smart he was with an ingenious trade that turned into a disaster. the day the trade went down, Perk was in tears and the Celtic veterans were furious - they never got over it. thanks Danny.

And that's a reason the Celtics couldn't buy a bucket past the middle of the 4th quarter in 4 of the 5 games this series. Makes perfect sense.... NOT

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Danny Ainge sucks.


...his 2011 shipment of fail arrived last night.

EDIT: He had said we could blame him if we lose...so, yeah, I'm picking up that option.

Hilarious, especially the part about picking up the option. TP

[tenn_smoothie]

bottom line is that Danny's ego got in the way and he just had to prove how smart he was with an ingenious trade that turned into a disaster. the day the trade went down, Perk was in tears and the Celtic veterans were furious - they never got over it. thanks Danny.

And that's a reason the Celtics couldn't buy a bucket past the middle of the 4th quarter in 4 of the 5 games this series. Makes perfect sense.... NOT

people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

[kozlodoev]

bottom line is that Danny's ego got in the way and he just had to prove how smart he was with an ingenious trade that turned into a disaster. the day the trade went down, Perk was in tears and the Celtic veterans were furious - they never got over it. thanks Danny.

And that's a reason the Celtics couldn't buy a bucket past the middle of the 4th quarter in 4 of the 5 games this series. Makes perfect sense.... NOT

people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

Did you see me pointing to any statistical evidence?

[housecall]

Listening to him on WEEI right now, and he says the expectations for Jeff Green were too high. I am really sick of this guy and his BS. He thinks we are all stupid.

TP Vinnie,i agree...and while listening to that interview today i thought,when was the last time Danny hit on a good player in the draft?When you think back in the past few seasons,he's wasted a lot of money,time and pine space on miscues.

[kozlodoev]

Listening to him on WEEI right now, and he says the expectations for Jeff Green were too high. I am really sick of this guy and his BS. He thinks we are all stupid.

TP Vinnie,i agree...and while listening to that interview today i thought,when was the last time Danny hit on a good player in the draft?When you think back in the past few seasons,he's wasted a lot of money,time and pine space on miscues.

When you think back in the past few season, haven't had anything better than a 19th pick to work with, and most of the picks were significantly worse than that too.

Also, the jury is still out on how this 19th pick will pan out.

[jv2764]

Listening to him on WEEI right now, and he says the expectations for Jeff Green were too high. I am really sick of this guy and his BS. He thinks we are all stupid.

TP Vinnie,i agree...and while listening to that interview today i thought,when was the last time Danny hit on a good player in the draft?When you think back in the past few seasons,he's wasted a lot of money,time and pine space on miscues.

Man how soon they forget.  I am so sick of hearing about how Perk's trade was the demise of this team.  This team's defense is not an issue.  The issue is on the offensive end of the floor.  The Celts have no low post scorer.  Last time I looked Perk was not a low posty scorer.  This team is too perimeter oriented on offense.  When you get tired and older your legs are the first things to go and hence they missed jimpers late in games.  They need to have a presence on the low post who can score.  Folks here are too quick to bury Green. He will ge fine.

[zerophase]

I don't want this team to turn into the Pistons. Danny mentioned bring Pierce off the bench and starting Green. The Pistons did the same thing with Rip Hamilton. They sat him thinking Stuckey was going to be the next DWade. Look where they are now?

[jdpapa3]

people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

It's better than just saying what our eyes tell us and leaving it at that. For instance, when I watch Thunder games, it looks like Perk is really moving poorly (poorer than usual), but if I come out and say only that, it looks like a hollow argument meant to tear the guy down. So, I do the logical progression and just post the stats that back up my observations to skip the post where someone asks about my glasses or something of the like.

So, I'll just say that the Thunder have not performed very well with Perkins on the court compared to when he is off the court....offensively or defensively.

I'd also like to add that I've been playing team sports my whole life and that you can have the most Ubuntu-esque locker room in the world and still lose if you don't have the talent that the other team does.

[Jack_Frost]

Is there any chance we can land Danny Granger (so Pierce can come off bench) packiging Jeff Green + Picks + Bradley/Davis?

If Doc stays i think we'll try, i don't know how, to land Austin Rivers too

[Eja117]

Personally I fully expect some 2nd rounders or undrafted guys like Taylor Battle to be significantly better than Avery.

Absolutely.  I think this is going to be one of those drafts where there are more quality players picked 20 and lower than there are in the lottery.  It's just so weak at the top, that the teams that need a lot of help are going to reach big time for high risk, high reward guys.

On the other hand, this draft is actually relatively strong later in the draft, because a lot of second and third tier guys came out this year, knowing they had a chance to go higher than they normally would in a stronger draft. 

Well yeah, but Avery Bradley doesn't have potential. He didn't when he averaged 11.6 ppg in college and he doesn't have any now. He's Joe Forte without the college experience

Avery Bradley doesn't have potential? What are you talking about... did you scout him or something...

The #1 ranked high school prospect who can be an All-Defensive guy, decent jumper, excellent athleticism... but he can't get any better? At 20 years old with no real chance of playing time he's reached his ceiling.
 

#1 high school prospect doesn't mean anything. Lenny Cooke was that.  There have been plenty of 19 year olds in the league that performed far far better. Like Sebastian Telfair. Let alone Jrue Holliday, Derrick Rose, etc.

The most impressive thing he did this year was tie his shoes, and I'm not sure in a year of Texas U he even managed to learn that.

[BballTim]

The thing is, no matter what Danny says, there will be a large number of people who agree with him, simply because he brought us a title.

I liked Danny as a player, and I like him as a GM.  He's not infallible, though; since the summer of 2008, he's made plenty of mistakes.

I agree Roy, but stuff like "expectations were too high" for Jeff Green really bug me. Danny was the guy pumping up Jeff Green when the Celts got him.

exactly, vinnie.

Ainge continues to make every excuse, justification and rationalization for the Celts decline after the Kendrick Perkins trade. the blunt truth is that Ainge screwed the Celtics up royally. he didn't understand his own team well enough to realize how much damage would be done by trading away one of their main guys. this group of Celtics thrived on togetherness and a shared motivation more than any other team in the league. anyone who followed the team could have told you that, but somehow the GM is clueless about his own team's greatest strengths.

bottom line is that Danny's ego got in the way and he just had to prove how smart he was with an ingenious trade that turned into a disaster. the day the trade went down, Perk was in tears and the Celtic veterans were furious - they never got over it. thanks Danny.

  Didn't they win 5-6 in a row after the trade?

  In any case, I can't see three guys who have been in the league since the 90s throwing away one of their few remaining shots at a title because they were upset that Danny traded a player that had hardly been on the court all year. I think that if Shaq had come back and played decently (and Wade hadn't taken out Rondo) they'd have been fine.

[KGDunks]

Stop whinging he got the Big Three.

[CoachBo]

people on this board CONTINUE to point out statistical "evidence" as to why the Celtics did not miss Perk - these people simply do not understand much about the dynamics of team sports.

it ain't about the stats.

It's better than just saying what our eyes tell us and leaving it at that. For instance, when I watch Thunder games, it looks like Perk is really moving poorly (poorer than usual), but if I come out and say only that, it looks like a hollow argument meant to tear the guy down. So, I do the logical progression and just post the stats that back up my observations to skip the post where someone asks about my glasses or something of the like.

So, I'll just say that the Thunder have not performed very well with Perkins on the court compared to when he is off the court....offensively or defensively.

I'd also like to add that I've been playing team sports my whole life and that you can have the most Ubuntu-esque locker room in the world and still lose if you don't have the talent that the other team does.

The two best teams I've ever been associated with at the college level were locker rooms full of people who hated each other, begrudging the other every single shot.

Chemistry is a laughably overrated concept in a five-player game.