Perkins would not have helped here

[rl8373a]

Perkins would not have helped here

Who knows what Perkins could have done here...what I do know is that Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic didn't help either.

If you didn't think JG and NK didn't contribute tonight then you didn't watch the game.

JG has had few good games...thats it. He hasn't been consistent at all.

He hasn't been given the opportunity to be consistent.  They talked about it during game 3 that he is putting up the same numbers statistically in minutes comparasion as he put as a starter in OKC

9 playoff games and 30 or so regular season games....how many more opportunities does he need?

He didn't get to play the minutes he needed to... as I said he put up the same numbers statistically per minute as when he played 37 minutes a game for OKC.  If he had played the amount of minutes that BBD did over the 39 games then yes I would say that he wasn't consistent

He was signed to replace Pierce in the starting lineup? Per minute....per second..whatever. He has underachieved. Case closed. I don't know what Perkins could have done....but right now, that trade didn't do us much good for this run.

What do you mean he was signed to replace Pierce in the starting lineup?? I didn't say that I said that he put up the same numbers on average...that is what consistency means

[barefacedmonk]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

[LB3533]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

[barefacedmonk]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

So when we win we attribute it a "stud"...but if we lose or if someone goes off then it's "Perkins isn't good enough".

How about blaming Ray and Pierce for Wade's and LBJ's numbers?

I thought our offense got better after the trade...that's what this whole blog and Danny were saying...we got better. Pfft.

Anyway, we are out of the playoffs and Perkins' team is still very much in it. More power to him.

[rl8373a]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

So when we win we attribute it a "stud"...but if we lose or if someone goes off then it's "Perkins isn't good enough".

How about blaming Ray and Pierce for Wade's and LBJ's numbers?

I thought our offense got better after the trade...that's what this whole blog and Danny were saying...we got better. Pfft.

Anyway, we are out of the playoffs and Perkins' team is still very much in it. More power to him.

This topic was not about saying that we got better after the trade.  I said that I don't believe Perk would have helped in this series, I don't know if we would have won or lost with him.. 

 but if you want to look at statistics our ppg allowed went down after the perkins trade. 

[LB3533]

On paper, our scoring did get better.

We got a better bench, in theory.

You had a better bench to our starting unit, arguably the best starting 5 (with a healthy Shaq), you are better.

Who knew the play of the Big 3 would go downhill after trade?

Who knew Rondo's injuries would catch up to him?

And normally, when your stars play like stars, you win the game.

We didn't get those performances to match up to the Heat's stars.

[winsomme]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

So when we win we attribute it a "stud"...but if we lose or if someone goes off then it's "Perkins isn't good enough".

How about blaming Ray and Pierce for Wade's and LBJ's numbers?

I thought our offense got better after the trade...that's what this whole blog and Danny were saying...we got better. Pfft.

Anyway, we are out of the playoffs and Perkins' team is still very much in it. More power to him.

This topic was not about saying that we got better after the trade.  I said that I don't believe Perk would have helped in this series, I don't know if we would have won or lost with him.. 

 but if you want to look at statistics our ppg allowed went down after the perkins trade. 

I think we are all pretty tapped out on this subject. It certainly will pop again and again during the off season, but not much is going to change...

Personally, I think the real question is what does Danny think would have made a difference in this series.

he's usually pretty good at recognizing mistakes and aggressively trying to rectify them. so personally I expect him to go after any big man that could play with our starting unit.

If that's what he does, I think it's a pretty good sign that he recognizes that the lack of a healthy starting center was the main reason for us getting bumped from the playoffs...

[dlpin]

Regardless of whether people think it was a good or bad trade, Perkins is not the difference between losing 3 of 5 games by 9 points or more and winning the series.

[ManUp]

I think Perk would've made a huge difference. Our defense needs a big physical body in the middle someone that guys hesitate to challenge. JO although a great shot blocker doesn't intimidate or ward anyone away. He is a great defender, but players aren't afraid to test him. If Perk was around I think the series would be more of a grind.

[winsomme]

Regardless of whether people think it was a good or bad trade, Perkins is not the difference between losing 3 of 5 games by 9 points or more and winning the series.

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

[KCattheStripe]

Regardless of whether people think it was a good or bad trade, Perkins is not the difference between losing 3 of 5 games by 9 points or more and winning the series.

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

It wasn't Perkins who never plays that part of the game anyway.

[tenn_smoothie]

I'm sorry but I am going to go out and say it Kendrick Perkins would not have helped here.  Niether would any of the other players that we traded.

Perkins was only effective against two teams, the Magic and the Lakers.  Any center put with the big 4 could put up the numbers that Perkins did offensively and JO did just as well as him defensively.

The reason for the trade was that we needed somebody to back up pierce and that is what we got.  Besides the occasional lapses I believe Green played really well especially on defense.  If anything the problem was that he did not get to play with the big 4. 

I believe Doc is a great coach but if you talk about a reason for making a trade and then never go with why even mention it.  Green needed davis' minutes from the time he came over in the trade.

Overall I am disappointed but I am still happy to be a celtics fan.  I don't think any team in the NBA had as many injuries over the course of the season and during the playoffs as us and I believe that the team played with heart and pride anyways.

4 years, 1 title and 3 what if injuries...I am not jumping for joy but after that 06-07 season I will definitely take it

Wrong - people like you who insist on looking only at the X & O's dynamics of the Perk trade are missing the point of why his loss took so much away from this team. either you want to make yourself feel better or you don't understand basketball very well. i've explained the reasons on here too many times already as to why the loss of Kendrick Perkins devastated this team in so many ways, so i will not take another half houe to repeat my points.

the Celts win this series if Ainge does not make that trade and then we would have had a very good shot at #18 - but that's all for nought now. Danny destroyed the Celtics and i believe his ego was what ultimately decided to make that trade.

[tenn_smoothie]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

So when we win we attribute it a "stud"...but if we lose or if someone goes off then it's "Perkins isn't good enough".

How about blaming Ray and Pierce for Wade's and LBJ's numbers?

I thought our offense got better after the trade...that's what this whole blog and Danny were saying...we got better. Pfft.

Anyway, we are out of the playoffs and Perkins' team is still very much in it. More power to him.

This topic was not about saying that we got better after the trade.  I said that I don't believe Perk would have helped in this series, I don't know if we would have won or lost with him.. 

 but if you want to look at statistics our ppg allowed went down after the perkins trade. 

I think we are all pretty tapped out on this subject. It certainly will pop again and again during the off season, but not much is going to change...

Personally, I think the real question is what does Danny think would have made a difference in this series.

he's usually pretty good at recognizing mistakes and aggressively trying to rectify them. so personally I expect him to go after any big man that could play with our starting unit.

If that's what he does, I think it's a pretty good sign that he recognizes that the lack of a healthy starting center was the main reason for us getting bumped from the playoffs...

you're hoping Danny Boy recognizes that we neede4d a solid starting center to succeed in the playoffs ? really?  then why did he trade the healthy starting center away

[dlpin]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

[winsomme]

Regardless of whether people think it was a good or bad trade, Perkins is not the difference between losing 3 of 5 games by 9 points or more and winning the series.

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

It wasn't Perkins who never plays that part of the game anyway.

Doc would have gone offense/defense...that's what he likes to do. especially with all the timeouts near the end of the game.

and Perk definitely helps your defense.