Perkins would not have helped here

[barefacedmonk]

Perkins would not have helped here

Who knows what Perkins could have done here...what I do know is that Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic didn't help either.

[17wasEZ]

Perkins playoff line after 9 games:

65 rebounds (7.2 per game)
41 points (4.6 per game)
37 fouls (4.1 per game and has fouled out of 3 games)
4 blocked shots (0.44 per game)

Can't see how effective he would have been considering he has almost as many fouls as he does points.

Anyway, I agree with the premise that he would not have helped and would have walked for nothing. With a summer and a full season in Doc's system, Green might end up being the player he was for OKC and then some.

[rl8373a]

I disagree.  There was no interior defense in this series.  Perk would have helped there.  But most importantly basketball is about chemistry and trust.  When Perkins left the Celtics lost both.   You could see it, so stop defending an terrible risk that Ainge took.   

Also,  Green is garbage.   If the Celtics give big money to that stiff they won't compete anytime soon.

I miss Perk dearly but I don't think Green is garbage. He is infuriating by not playing up to his skills but he's definitely not garage.

honestly, I think Danny made that trade because he thought he could get Green to play up to his potential....that clearly did not happen this year.

I don't think they gave Green the chances to play up to his potential.  Both Danny and Doc talked about the 08 4th quarter team and how Green would enable this but how many times did we see BBD out there instead of him leading up to the playoffs.  

I loved perk as much as the next guy I just don't think that Perk was the answer in this series yes he might have knocked down Wade or James a few times but so could have an 80-85% shaq and remember when Perk was traded he had injured his knee again

[rl8373a]

Perkins playoff line after 9 games:

65 rebounds (7.2 per game)
41 points (4.6 per game)
37 fouls (4.1 per game and has fouled out of 3 games)
4 blocked shots (0.44 per game)

Can't see how effective he would have been considering he has almost as many fouls as he does points.

Anyway, I agree with the premise that he would not have helped and would have walked for nothing. With a summer and a full season in Doc's system, Green might end up being the player he was for OKC and then some.

Thats a great point as well... Perkins already rejected the offer the celtics gave him and that was the most the celtics could have offered.  He was willing to walk during the summer no matter what, because if he wasn't he would have signed the contract that the celtics offered him

[winsomme]

I disagree.  There was no interior defense in this series.  Perk would have helped there.  But most importantly basketball is about chemistry and trust.  When Perkins left the Celtics lost both.   You could see it, so stop defending an terrible risk that Ainge took.   

Also,  Green is garbage.   If the Celtics give big money to that stiff they won't compete anytime soon.

I miss Perk dearly but I don't think Green is garbage. He is infuriating by not playing up to his skills but he's definitely not garage.

honestly, I think Danny made that trade because he thought he could get Green to play up to his potential....that clearly did not happen this year.

I don't think they gave Green the chances to play up to his potential.  Both Danny and Doc talked about the 08 4th quarter team and how Green would enable this but how many times did we see BBD out there instead of him leading up to the playoffs.  

I loved perk as much as the next guy I just don't think that Perk was the answer in this series yes he might have knocked down Wade or James a few times but so could have an 80-85% shaq and remember when Perk was traded he had injured his knee again

If we hadn't been so effective against MIA during the season, I might agree with you, but our size definitely gave MIA problems during the season. That was our advantage.

Just look at teams reactions to the Perk trade...they almost universally noted that it would be easier to drive the basket without Perk back there.

[barefacedmonk]

Perkins already rejected the offer the celtics gave him and that was the most the celtics could have offered.  He was willing to walk during the summer no matter what, because if he wasn't he would have signed the contract that the celtics offered him

Celtics could have  matched the offer in the offseason....just because he didn't sign the qualifying offer in the middle of the season doesn't mean "he would have walked no matter what".

[rl8373a]

I disagree.  There was no interior defense in this series.  Perk would have helped there.  But most importantly basketball is about chemistry and trust.  When Perkins left the Celtics lost both.   You could see it, so stop defending an terrible risk that Ainge took.   

Also,  Green is garbage.   If the Celtics give big money to that stiff they won't compete anytime soon.

I miss Perk dearly but I don't think Green is garbage. He is infuriating by not playing up to his skills but he's definitely not garage.

honestly, I think Danny made that trade because he thought he could get Green to play up to his potential....that clearly did not happen this year.

I don't think they gave Green the chances to play up to his potential.  Both Danny and Doc talked about the 08 4th quarter team and how Green would enable this but how many times did we see BBD out there instead of him leading up to the playoffs.  

I loved perk as much as the next guy I just don't think that Perk was the answer in this series yes he might have knocked down Wade or James a few times but so could have an 80-85% shaq and remember when Perk was traded he had injured his knee again

If we hadn't been so effective against MIA during the season, I might agree with you, but our size definitely gave MIA problems during the season. That was our advantage.

Just look at teams reactions to the Perk trade...they almost universally noted that it would be easier to drive the basket without Perk back there.

But you have to remember Perkins didn't play at all against the heat this season so he is not part of that size

[vinnie]

I keep wondering. Does everyone that posts that Perkins would not have helped live inan alternative universe where they saw another Miami - Boston Series in which Perk played and the Celts still lost? I honestly don't know if they would have won had Danny not made the trade, but I would have preferred to tkae my chances with keeping Perk and maybe making a trade for a guy like Battier to backup Pierce.

Meanwhile, Good old Perk is likely going to the western conference finals. More power to him.

[rl8373a]

Perkins already rejected the offer the celtics gave him and that was the most the celtics could have offered.  He was willing to walk during the summer no matter what, because if he wasn't he would have signed the contract that the celtics offered him

Celtics could have  matched the offer in the offseason....just because he didn't sign the qualifying offer in the middle of the season doesn't mean "he would have walked no matter what".

the celtics could not have offered perkins as much money as the thunder did

[winsomme]

I disagree.  There was no interior defense in this series.  Perk would have helped there.  But most importantly basketball is about chemistry and trust.  When Perkins left the Celtics lost both.   You could see it, so stop defending an terrible risk that Ainge took.   

Also,  Green is garbage.   If the Celtics give big money to that stiff they won't compete anytime soon.

I miss Perk dearly but I don't think Green is garbage. He is infuriating by not playing up to his skills but he's definitely not garage.

honestly, I think Danny made that trade because he thought he could get Green to play up to his potential....that clearly did not happen this year.

I don't think they gave Green the chances to play up to his potential.  Both Danny and Doc talked about the 08 4th quarter team and how Green would enable this but how many times did we see BBD out there instead of him leading up to the playoffs.  

I loved perk as much as the next guy I just don't think that Perk was the answer in this series yes he might have knocked down Wade or James a few times but so could have an 80-85% shaq and remember when Perk was traded he had injured his knee again

If we hadn't been so effective against MIA during the season, I might agree with you, but our size definitely gave MIA problems during the season. That was our advantage.

Just look at teams reactions to the Perk trade...they almost universally noted that it would be easier to drive the basket without Perk back there.

But you have to remember Perkins didn't play at all against the heat this season so he is not part of that size

that's not true. Perk played in the third game.

but aside from that, in all the wins we had a big that could make Wade and LeBron think twice about driving freely to the hoop.

[CoachBo]

Perkins playoff line after 9 games:

65 rebounds (7.2 per game)
41 points (4.6 per game)
37 fouls (4.1 per game and has fouled out of 3 games)
4 blocked shots (0.44 per game)

Can't see how effective he would have been considering he has almost as many fouls as he does points.

Anyway, I agree with the premise that he would not have helped and would have walked for nothing. With a summer and a full season in Doc's system, Green might end up being the player he was for OKC and then some.

$9 million for Perkins' numbers is absurd. Not even close to worth it.

At this point, I think you can safely say that both sides of the trade have underachieved.

Going forward, though, with a team that is going to have to be remade or continue to deteriorate, I'd much rather be saddled with Green's option year than $36 million for Perkins. Not even close.

[winsomme]

Perkins already rejected the offer the celtics gave him and that was the most the celtics could have offered.  He was willing to walk during the summer no matter what, because if he wasn't he would have signed the contract that the celtics offered him

Celtics could have  matched the offer in the offseason....just because he didn't sign the qualifying offer in the middle of the season doesn't mean "he would have walked no matter what".

the celtics could not have offered perkins as much money as the thunder did

after the season we could have offered him more than the Thunder...but I don't think it would have taken that if the Cs moved aggressively to sign him.

he just didn't want to play for the 4 years 23-24 mil that they initially offered him. and who would blame him...

[rl8373a]

I disagree.  There was no interior defense in this series.  Perk would have helped there.  But most importantly basketball is about chemistry and trust.  When Perkins left the Celtics lost both.   You could see it, so stop defending an terrible risk that Ainge took.   

Also,  Green is garbage.   If the Celtics give big money to that stiff they won't compete anytime soon.

I miss Perk dearly but I don't think Green is garbage. He is infuriating by not playing up to his skills but he's definitely not garage.

honestly, I think Danny made that trade because he thought he could get Green to play up to his potential....that clearly did not happen this year.

I don't think they gave Green the chances to play up to his potential.  Both Danny and Doc talked about the 08 4th quarter team and how Green would enable this but how many times did we see BBD out there instead of him leading up to the playoffs.  

I loved perk as much as the next guy I just don't think that Perk was the answer in this series yes he might have knocked down Wade or James a few times but so could have an 80-85% shaq and remember when Perk was traded he had injured his knee again

If we hadn't been so effective against MIA during the season, I might agree with you, but our size definitely gave MIA problems during the season. That was our advantage.

Just look at teams reactions to the Perk trade...they almost universally noted that it would be easier to drive the basket without Perk back there.

But you have to remember Perkins didn't play at all against the heat this season so he is not part of that size

that's not true. Perk played in the third game.

but aside from that, in all the wins we had a big that could make Wade and LeBron think twice about driving freely to the hoop.

Your right I stand corrected he played against them once and in that game Rondo had a triple double

[greenpride32]

Perkins would not have helped here

Who knows what Perkins could have done here...what I do know is that Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic didn't help either.

If you didn't think JG and NK didn't contribute tonight then you didn't watch the game. JG has played well in this series.  Doc hasn't played NK so he hasn't had a chance to do anything.

Do people really think Perk could stop LBJ and DWade from driving the lane??? Seriously???  For whatever it's worth the C's played LBJ and Wade in the past with Perk and they still did the same as they did in this series.

[barefacedmonk]

Perkins would not have helped here

Who knows what Perkins could have done here...what I do know is that Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic didn't help either.

If you didn't think JG and NK didn't contribute tonight then you didn't watch the game.

JG has had few good games...thats it. He hasn't been consistent at all.