Let's Assume Rebuilding Begins in Earnest This Summer

[FrDrake]

Trade Idea:

Sacramento gives up Tyreke Evans ($3.9 mil) + Udrih (horrible contract through 12/13 starting at $6.6 + Garcia (horrible contract through 13/14 starting at $5.5)

Boston gives up Green ($4.5) + Ray Ray ($10)

Obviously, Sac-Town only does this to clear their books and try to convince their fans they got back a young talent in exchange for Tyreke (i.e. green)

The C's can make a final run at a ring next year with:

Rondo
Evans
Pierce
KG
JO

Then build around Evans / Rondo / Pierce after 11/12.  The C's give up a ton of financial flexibility but they get a guy with legitimate all-nba talent AND an all world ability to drive you and his teammates crazy.

So do you want to explain to me why Sactown gives up their franchise player, a legit 20-5-5 guy when healthy, for Ray Allen and Jeff Green?  Makes no sense whatsoever.  Their payroll is really low right now, they aren't so desperate to get rid of Udrih that they'd dump the best player on their team.

Because they are losing tons of money even with their low payroll and Tyreke regressed this year and by all reports is a major headache to deal with in the locker room.  Also, their team is a disaster and won all of 24 games last year so why not consider shaking things up?  Maybe the C's throw in a pick as well.

[kozlodoev]

Because they are losing tons of money even with their low payroll and Tyreke regressed this year and by all reports is a major headache to deal with in the locker room.  Also, their team is a disaster and won all of 24 games last year so why not consider shaking things up?  Maybe the C's throw in a pick as well.

To flip this back at you, why would we want a regressing player who is a locker room problem, lead his team to 24 wins, and who seems to duplicate a lot of what our best player's skills?

[FrDrake]

Because they are losing tons of money even with their low payroll and Tyreke regressed this year and by all reports is a major headache to deal with in the locker room.  Also, their team is a disaster and won all of 24 games last year so why not consider shaking things up?  Maybe the C's throw in a pick as well.

To flip this back at you, why would we want a regressing player who is a locker room problem, lead his team to 24 wins, and who seems to duplicate a lot of what our best player's skills?

Cuz KG would scare him straight! And then we have a guy who can score with the best of them including 'Melo, Bron and Wade.  It's a long shot I admit.

[kozlodoev]

Because they are losing tons of money even with their low payroll and Tyreke regressed this year and by all reports is a major headache to deal with in the locker room.  Also, their team is a disaster and won all of 24 games last year so why not consider shaking things up?  Maybe the C's throw in a pick as well.

To flip this back at you, why would we want a regressing player who is a locker room problem, lead his team to 24 wins, and who seems to duplicate a lot of what our best player's skills?

Cuz KG would scare him straight! And then we have a guy who can score with the best of them including 'Melo, Bron and Wade.  It's a long shot I admit.

KG will be here for a year, so that's not going to work. Evans is a guy who needs the ball in his hands, so I don't think he's the best fit alongside Rondo.

[FrDrake]

You may be right Kozlodoev, but I also think that if I were Tyreke and KG were screaming at me for an entire year and barking at me in practice that I would think twice about jacking up bad shots at the beginning of the shot clock.  Plus, he's no PG and would probably benefit from learning how to play off the ball.

[kozlodoev]

You may be right Kozlodoev, but I also think that if I were Tyreke and KG were screaming at me for an entire year and barking at me in practice that I would think twice about jacking up bad shots at the beginning of the shot clock.  Plus, he's no PG and would probably benefit from learning how to play off the ball.

He's no PG, but that doesn't mean he can play off the ball. That's like saying that it will benefit Rondo to learn how to shoot, so we have to pin him off the ball and make him take 10 spot-up threes a game. You have to take players for what they are, not what you'd like them to be.

[FrDrake]

You may be right Kozlodoev, but I also think that if I were Tyreke and KG were screaming at me for an entire year and barking at me in practice that I would think twice about jacking up bad shots at the beginning of the shot clock.  Plus, he's no PG and would probably benefit from learning how to play off the ball.

He's no PG, but that doesn't mean he can play off the ball. That's like saying that it will benefit Rondo to learn how to shoot, so we have to pin him off the ball and make him take 10 spot-up threes a game. You have to take players for what they are, not what you'd like them to be.

You're right. Rondo would benefit from learning how to shoot! Somebody on the coaching staff should really start working with him.   

Anyway, It's just a made up trade for fun.  You're probably right that Tyreke is going nowhere.

[Evantime34]

The rebuilding probably won't begin in earnest this summer due to the lockout. Playing a shortened season would actually give us a lot better chance at a title next year (bargaining stage of grief).

But seriously if the season is shortened or doesn't happen at all it doesn't make sense to trade away anyone because you won't know how much a player has improved/deteriorated in the time off.

[PosImpos]

Trade Idea:

Sacramento gives up Tyreke Evans ($3.9 mil) + Udrih (horrible contract through 12/13 starting at $6.6 + Garcia (horrible contract through 13/14 starting at $5.5)

Boston gives up Green ($4.5) + Ray Ray ($10)

Obviously, Sac-Town only does this to clear their books and try to convince their fans they got back a young talent in exchange for Tyreke (i.e. green)

The C's can make a final run at a ring next year with:

Rondo
Evans
Pierce
KG
JO

Then build around Evans / Rondo / Pierce after 11/12.  The C's give up a ton of financial flexibility but they get a guy with legitimate all-nba talent AND an all world ability to drive you and his teammates crazy.

So do you want to explain to me why Sactown gives up their franchise player, a legit 20-5-5 guy when healthy, for Ray Allen and Jeff Green?  Makes no sense whatsoever.  Their payroll is really low right now, they aren't so desperate to get rid of Udrih that they'd dump the best player on their team.

Because they are losing tons of money even with their low payroll and Tyreke regressed this year and by all reports is a major headache to deal with in the locker room.  Also, their team is a disaster and won all of 24 games last year so why not consider shaking things up?  Maybe the C's throw in a pick as well.

Even with the turmoil on that team and the payroll, they wouldn't trade away Tyreke for so little.

Not to mention their payroll is as low as it can go right now, so we couldn't really save them money anyway.

Plus, they are trying to make that team palatable for new ownership / a move to a new city.  Trading away your current franchise player and former RoY after his second season just because you have financial trouble and the kid has had some character issues is not a way to increase interest in financing the team.

[Moranis]

I actually wouldn't mind Udrih or Casspi on this team and would probably trade Ray for them (I'd consider taking back garcia if I had to as well).  It certainly hurts the cap position, but I think it would fill in a lot of holes on the team (i.e. backup PG/SG and backup SF).  I realize trading Ray would leave a bit of a hole at SG, but I think West and Udrih would do all right in that role.

Rondo/Udrih
West/Udrih
Pierce/Green/Casspi
Garnett/Green/J. O'Neal
J. O'Neal/S. O'Neal/Krstic

Not a bad team.  We could still explore sign and trades of both Green and Davis to look for a better SG or a bigger PF backup.

[Greenbean]

This is the first time I have clicked on this thread.

 

[kozlodoev]

I actually wouldn't mind Udrih or Casspi on this team and would probably trade Ray for them (I'd consider taking back garcia if I had to as well).  It certainly hurts the cap position, but I think it would fill in a lot of holes on the team (i.e. backup PG/SG and backup SF).  I realize trading Ray would leave a bit of a hole at SG, but I think West and Udrih would do all right in that role.

Rondo/Udrih
West/Udrih
Pierce/Green/Casspi
Garnett/Green/J. O'Neal
J. O'Neal/S. O'Neal/Krstic

Not a bad team.  We could still explore sign and trades of both Green and Davis to look for a better SG or a bigger PF backup.

Not a bad team, but still worse than a team with Ray Allen instead of Udrih and Casspi.

[Brendan]

LA - drafted Kobe (franchise player) and built around him.
MIA - drafted Wade (franchise player) and built around him.
Mavs - drafted Dirk (franchise player) and built around him.
Bulls - drafted Rose (franchise player) and built around him.
OKC - drafted Durant and Westbrook (franchise players).
Spurs - drafted 3 superstars (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker).

MIN drafted KG (and Ray Allen) and Boston drafted Pierce. Good management is the first level requirement. For the Spurs, I'd hardly call Parker or Ginobli superstars (and neither is Westbrook at least not yet.) They were all stars, but the key ingredient was Duncan.

[PosImpos]

LA - drafted Kobe (franchise player) and built around him.
MIA - drafted Wade (franchise player) and built around him.
Mavs - drafted Dirk (franchise player) and built around him.
Bulls - drafted Rose (franchise player) and built around him.
OKC - drafted Durant and Westbrook (franchise players).
Spurs - drafted 3 superstars (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker).

MIN drafted KG (and Ray Allen) and Boston drafted Pierce. Good management is the first level requirement. For the Spurs, I'd hardly call Parker or Ginobli superstars (and neither is Westbrook at least not yet.) They were all stars, but the key ingredient was Duncan.

Yes it takes high draft picks and good management to pick well, develop the players well, and make good moves to surround them with players that complement them.

Luckily I'm confident that the Celtics have all the right ingredients for success in terms of the organization -- good management, ownership willing to spend money, a winning tradition, good fan base etc -- all that is needed are high draft picks and luck. 

But to get the high draft picks the team will need to get really bad very quickly.

[Moranis]

I actually wouldn't mind Udrih or Casspi on this team and would probably trade Ray for them (I'd consider taking back garcia if I had to as well).  It certainly hurts the cap position, but I think it would fill in a lot of holes on the team (i.e. backup PG/SG and backup SF).  I realize trading Ray would leave a bit of a hole at SG, but I think West and Udrih would do all right in that role.

Rondo/Udrih
West/Udrih
Pierce/Green/Casspi
Garnett/Green/J. O'Neal
J. O'Neal/S. O'Neal/Krstic

Not a bad team.  We could still explore sign and trades of both Green and Davis to look for a better SG or a bigger PF backup.

Not a bad team, but still worse than a team with Ray Allen instead of Udrih and Casspi.

probably next year, but not going forward.  I really think Casspi has the potential to be the long term answer at SF.  He is just 22 and is getting better and better and he was actually fairly effective this year (meaning he could contribute on a high level team like the Celtics).  Udrih is still young enough to be a contributor with the next group and has enough size and versatility to play many roles for the team.