Coach Rivers we need to talk

[Celticsfan336]

When Shaq gets back, our rotation should be all about SHAQ and JO at the Center position....no one else.
Look, its the end of the road for these guys, playing them limited minutes has no purpose.
KG could play 6-8 minutes at the center posiiton and that give shaq and jo just enough time to rest.
Glen Davis needs to play 10 minutes or less, he is always the first person off our bench and the last person back on it. He is flat out a liability. Let Jeff Green close a game at the 4, or JO. Big Baby brings nothing to the table anymore.

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[17wasEZ]

7:10 left we have just erased a five point deficit to tie the game up at 80. We have Garnett,Baby,Green,Pierce and Delonte West on the floor and have just stopped them twice on defensive.

He brings in Ray Allen and Rondo and the Heat go on a 8-0 run to make it 88-80.

When we have a good rhythm you dont interrupt it to go back to the regular rotations. You let it go and maybe we go up then if things start to slip then you sub in to make a adjustment for a mismatch or fatigue. Doc Rivers worst in game substitution coach in the playoffs hands down.

I agree Baby cannot cover Bosh and it was evident since the first quarter dont let it go all game my gosh. Play Jermaine and Green

WAKE UP DOC.

  The game was tied at 80 or close to that when Ray came in but they then gave up 7-8 straight points before Rondo came in.

A shooter like Ray needs to get his shots. No one can convince me he only had 7 "opportunities" to shoot tonight. 

  I was just correcting his post.

  So, you were watching Ray wide open and calling for the ball and not getting it passed to him all night?

Wasn't meant towards you.  I was just saying that Ray needs to get his shots no matter what. He can go to the basket and attempt to go to the FT line if he doesn't want to shoot with a guy near him or in his face. Seems like the same Ray we saw the last few weeks of the regular season when the team was slumping.  I'm not purely blaming him, but with Pierce hurting he needed to be more aggressive.

[D Dub]

2 reasons for the loss:

1-Joey Crawford screwed us again. Apparently game seven of the finals didn't satisfy him enough. I know the foul count was close, but we were not getting rewarded for our aggressive play.

I saw a team that drove to the rim and there was no call time after time. We all saw Rondo get plowed by LeRoid with no call. Inexplicably when Wade pushes off they call the offensive foul, too bad the game was out of reach and the reason for the whistle. That to me is disturbing and should at least make people wonder. So I would like to ask Joey, how is one a foul and not the other?

I addition, I saw at least 3 drives to the rim where Rondo was hacked and nothing.

As much as I hate Davis, I have to say he was robbed of a few trips to the line. These were blatant non-calls.
Last night is what I was afraid of, 5-8 is awfully hard to beat.
These are just a few that stick out in my mind, there were others. I wouldn't point to a bad call as the reason for a loss, but there was a sum of bad calls that made it difficult on our team.


2)I don't have the confidence in Doc that I once had.
Unless JO is injured, there is no reason not to have him out there. Davis was on the floor for 26 minutes JO-19 minutes.

Jo played great defense last night. Why was he not playing Doc?

Paul was horrible, Green was playing better. I don't care if he's the capt. He was not producing.

Also, the block Lebron had in the 4th on KG was from a push off. Watching the replay, Lebron pushes KG down with one arm while both are up in the air, and then blocks the shot with the other arm. TNT commentators "amazing block by Lebron!" Ugh!!!

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once we tied it up 80-80, the officials took over.  i've seen enough nba to know how they work, end of 3rd, early 4th is when they assert David's bidding...

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[Mr October]

I really don't get why JO is playing only 20 mpg against Miami. He looks really solid out there... Couldn't the guy get another 4-6 minutes per game?

He could play the first 7, the last 6 of the half, And then repeat in the second half. If he gets into any foul trouble just add those 3 minutes into the following quarter.

Davis is driving me nuts out there as well. 

[BballTim]

7:10 left we have just erased a five point deficit to tie the game up at 80. We have Garnett,Baby,Green,Pierce and Delonte West on the floor and have just stopped them twice on defensive.

He brings in Ray Allen and Rondo and the Heat go on a 8-0 run to make it 88-80.

When we have a good rhythm you dont interrupt it to go back to the regular rotations. You let it go and maybe we go up then if things start to slip then you sub in to make a adjustment for a mismatch or fatigue. Doc Rivers worst in game substitution coach in the playoffs hands down.

I agree Baby cannot cover Bosh and it was evident since the first quarter dont let it go all game my gosh. Play Jermaine and Green

WAKE UP DOC.

  The game was tied at 80 or close to that when Ray came in but they then gave up 7-8 straight points before Rondo came in.

A shooter like Ray needs to get his shots. No one can convince me he only had 7 "opportunities" to shoot tonight. 

  I was just correcting his post.

  So, you were watching Ray wide open and calling for the ball and not getting it passed to him all night?

Wasn't meant towards you.  I was just saying that Ray needs to get his shots no matter what. He can go to the basket and attempt to go to the FT line if he doesn't want to shoot with a guy near him or in his face. Seems like the same Ray we saw the last few weeks of the regular season when the team was slumping.  I'm not purely blaming him, but with Pierce hurting he needed to be more aggressive.

  Sorry about that Chief. People here frequently say the same thing you did to argue a completely different point.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

This isn't about JO or Baby, it's about Doc's refusal to match up with Miami's small ball lineup.

When Miami goes small with Lebron at PF and Bosh at center, Doc should be using Jeff Green to matchup with Miami but he's not doing that.  He's either playing JO or Baby, and that creates two bad matchups for Boston.  1st, it puts Baby or JO on Bosh, and neither guy can guard him.  2nd, it puts KG on James Jones, taking the Cs best interior defender and putting him out on an island 25 feet from the rim where his rebounding ability and help defense is much less effective.

JO can't play more than 20 minutes a night because he's virtually useless on offense and can't matchup with Bosh when Miami goes small.  He's a great defensive matchup against Miami's traditional lineup, but when the Heat go small or we need to score more, he has to sit. 

This isn't a Perk v. JO thread, but the sad reality is that JO is worse than Perk on offense.  Both guys are limited physically, but Perk bests JO on offense because he simply knew the offense better, knew where to position his body to get open layups and dunks, and he knew how to set good picks.  KG might be the best passing PF of his generation, but he has absolutely no feel for where JO is going to be on offense--and that's because JO has no idea what he's doing on offense.

So, no, it isn't about playing JO 5-7 more minutes, or limiting Baby's minutes, it's about matching up when Miami goes small, keeping KG on Bosh as much as possible (and keeping KG near the rim where he does his best work), putting Green on Jones and then using Green on offense to spread the court and get out in transition. 

But Doc is a stubborn guy.  He wants to impose his will on Miami and make them pay for going small.  Sadly, neither Baby or JO can make them pay on the offensive end, and I've already explained how they get exploited on the defensive end.  Doc's only real option to crush Miami's small ball lineup is Shaq.  Outside of that, he MUST use Jeff Green at PF or Miami will continue to use their small ball lineup at the end of quarters.  Last night they went on a 13-6 run in the last 3 minutes of the 2nd quarter precisely because they went small and the Cs didn't match up.  That's on Doc.

[kozlodoev]

BBD is something like -35 over his past two games (while JO is +2, I think.)

Ray Allen is -21, and Paul Pierce is -17. Let's bench them too.

So you think Davis' play warrants this amount of playing time? You can't equate Davis' play with Ray's or Paul'(although I'm not on the PP wagon right now) Ray can't get open, I can't fault him for that.
Paul I actually wouldn't mind sitting if he continues his tribute to Sheed.

(a) I don't think our problems come from Glen Davis.
(b) I don't think we have any better options on our roster right now for his minutes.

[kozlodoev]

BBD is something like -35 over his past two games (while JO is +2, I think.)

Ray Allen is -21, and Paul Pierce is -17. Let's bench them too.

What's their +/- when they're in the game with JO, versus with BBD?  I'm assuming, pretty good.  Those two starters are unfortunately the ones who are asked most often to anchor Doc's four-man bench units.

The problem is not Davis, it's whoever plays next to Davis in the frontcourt. Garnett does just fine in +/-, and him and Davis close out both halves the way the rotation is constituted right now.

[ath2o]

Said it before the playoffs and I'll say it again, You will not win a championship with Glen Davis playing 20 plus minutes!Over 25 mins last night w/2 field goals and 2 rebounds.This is now his norm. His defense is totally horrible, late on every pick, misses half the plays because he's laying on the floor somewhere, absolutely cannot make a layup,panting after 2 mins and can't jump 2 inches. Only some of his faults, more later.

[ath2o]

Said it before the playoffs and I'll say it again, You will not win a championship with Glen Davis playing 20 plus minutes!Over 25 mins last night w/2 field goals and 2 rebounds.This is now his norm. His defense is totally horrible, late on every pick, misses half the plays because he's laying on the floor somewhere, absolutely cannot make a layup,panting after 2 mins and can't jump 2 inches. Only some of his faults, more later.