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You cant possibly judge Bradleys ceiling yet, nobody has seen him play. He has the physical tools to be great.
Quote from: droponov on March 05, 2011, 09:30:19 PMQuote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 09:22:40 PMQuote from: droponov on March 05, 2011, 08:27:16 PMQuote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMUltimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future. Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMRobinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario. I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden. Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense. Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match? I would argue you can get something decent for that.Bradley's absolute ceiling is Alvin Robertson, but a more realistic ceiling is Gerald Henderson. I don't think GMs around the league value him as a mid 1st round pick. I don't think his value has improved since the Summer - it doesn't make any sense actually, as he's been having a very underwhelming rookie season. I also don't think Erden is worth a 1st rounder. Both of those are highly unrealistic values. Even if they were, what player would that package get you? Maybe if Robinson was an expiring... but even in that case I can't think of many options. Nah, I think that if it was Ainge's option, he would have shipped Bradley and retained Perkins. Easy decision. You cant possibly judge Bradleys ceiling yet, nobody has seen him play. He has the physical tools to be great. Hes lightning fast, plays incredible defense, is extremely athletic.He just needs to be developed. C's arent going to focus on developing Bradley until they rebuild post-big 3. Only then will we get to see what Bradleys made of, he certainly has the physical talent to be great, that much we know.Rondo was the #21 pick in the draft...he easily is a #1 pick talent wise now that we see how he has developed.
Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 09:22:40 PMQuote from: droponov on March 05, 2011, 08:27:16 PMQuote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMUltimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future. Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMRobinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario. I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden. Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense. Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match? I would argue you can get something decent for that.Bradley's absolute ceiling is Alvin Robertson, but a more realistic ceiling is Gerald Henderson. I don't think GMs around the league value him as a mid 1st round pick. I don't think his value has improved since the Summer - it doesn't make any sense actually, as he's been having a very underwhelming rookie season. I also don't think Erden is worth a 1st rounder. Both of those are highly unrealistic values. Even if they were, what player would that package get you? Maybe if Robinson was an expiring... but even in that case I can't think of many options. Nah, I think that if it was Ainge's option, he would have shipped Bradley and retained Perkins. Easy decision.
Quote from: droponov on March 05, 2011, 08:27:16 PMQuote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMUltimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future. Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMRobinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario. I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden. Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense. Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match? I would argue you can get something decent for that.
Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMUltimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future. Quote from: LooseCannon on March 05, 2011, 08:14:32 PMRobinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario.
Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.
Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.
I am curious as to people's initial reactions and if they have changed. I am especially curious as to what the poll on the front page would say if it was restarted today. Adding 1,3 and 5 together from this poll and 2,4 and 6 would give us that info, assuming the sample size were large enough.