Poll: Has your opinion of the trade changed since it occurred?

[csfansince60s]

It has been only 10 days since the trade occurred. It seems like a lot longer given all the changes we've had to digest because of all the deadline days moves, the pursuit of Murphy, the jousting at windmills with Corey Brewer and the BBD, Dwest and Von Wafer injuries.

The poll that is on the front page is an ongoing, cumulative one from just after the trade. The poll started at about 70% against and 30% for the trade. Steadily, the numbers have now approached 60/40. Statistically, this move is significant given the large response initially.

One interpetation of this is that many people after the initial shock of the trade have, at some point in time, changed their minds. Another is that the kool-aid drinkers/bandwagon jumpers and others have all weighed in lately because they "see" Green and Kristic's contributions and the lack thereof due to physical limitations in playing time for Perk and now Nate.

I am curious as to people's initial reactions and if they have changed. I am especially curious as to what the poll on the front page would say if it was restarted today. Adding 1,3 and 5 together from this poll and 2,4 and 6 would give us that info, assuming the sample size were large enough.


Personally, I voted #1 but with a time-sensitive qualifier. I was in shock the first 2 hours and reacted viscerally and was against it. It took me the full 2 hours to gather my wits after being kicked in the stomach to see the trade's merits. After that point in time, I voted for the trade in the front page poll, so technically my vote doesn't change.

I won't elaborate on my opinion on the trade, as I have done so more than once in the past, and there has been much discussion on this board,causing some acrimony and division, and that isn't the purpose of this thread. I'm just curious as to where people stand now.

This is my first poll attempted, so please excuse any dopiness that may be associated with it. Thanks.
 

[Donoghus]

It changed the day of the trade for me.

In a matter of a couple of hours, I went from "what the heck" to figuring out what Danny did and actually understanding and liking it to an extent (still think we need to let this carry on through the end of the season to really offer certainty of an opinion, though).

[Drucci]

Excellent thread idea, TP.

I voted "Didn't like it at first, like it now". I was shocked at first, then understood Danny's thinking but wasn't convinced by the level of talent of Green and Krstic, and since I've seen them play I'm really on board with the trade, I love it and I think it will make us really better in the playoffs and possibly in the future if we secure Green this summer long-term.

I do expect Green & cie to improve as time goes on, because even if they have played well so far you can tell they do not know the systems yet or are too slow on defense because of a lack of practice/habit.

I would add that Perkins and Nate's injuries only make the trade even better, especially in the short term since we would basically with about 6 active players at this point if we still had them on the roster.

[Marcus13]

I understand the thought process now, but it was still the wrong decision

[Roy H.]

I've always thought that Danny won the trade "on paper", but thought -- and still think -- that he underestimated the importance of chemistry and the difficulty of working new players into our rotation (especially on the defensive end).  I'm still in that boat.

The talent we got back was good; I don't think anybody can really deny that.  However, time will tell whether changing the face of a lead championship contender with 25 games left in the season was a good idea.

[Who]

I didn't like it at first but I have come around to it since.

Initially, I would have preferred to have acquired a stop gap wing to replace Marquis Daniels (like Corey Brewer or Anthony Parker) and kept the rest of the team together ... but I have since become much more confident in Krstic + with the acquisition of T.Murphy and now I am no longer as worried by the health issues of Shaq and Jermaine. Six bigs capable of playing regular rotation minutes should ensure enough quality and depth up front. 

[Drucci]

I've always thought that Danny won the trade "on paper", but thought -- and still think -- that he underestimated the importance of chemistry and the difficulty of working new players into our rotation (especially on the defensive end).  I'm still in that boat.

The talent we got back was good; I don't think anybody can really deny that.  However, time will tell whether changing the face of a lead championship contender with 25 games left in the season was a good idea.

I understand your worries and your reasoning but I think that in this particular situation it's cause for concern, but not really something drastic either. Here is why in my opinion :

1. We lost our starting center but we are going replace him with a guy who was our starting center for a long part of the season and already knows our plays and systems. So while in the short term we have Krstic starting, once Shaq is back, he will fit in right back in the lineup, causing no defensive or offensive issues because of a lack of cohesiveness.

2. This team is led by veterans who are willing to integrate new guys, advise them and help them fit in as quickly as possible. This can't be underestimated.

3. Add to this point that all of the new additions are known for having good to great basketball IQ's and being fast-learners. Especially Green who is the center piece here.

4. The biggest concern is obviously their integration defensively but they all belong to the 2nd unit and ultimately will only play in short bits in the playoffs, mostly coupled with the starters, which means the starters can make up for whatever deficiencies they have on that end.

5. Even though Doc says he doesn't know how to best utilize Green yet, the essential point is to make learn the defensive schemes and he will be fine offensively. His versatily allows him to be efficient in so many ways that he can only fit with our Big 4 in key moments/games.

6. It's fair to say that the Big 4 has embraced the new guys and there is no chemistry problem so I don't see this kind of issue appearing all of a sudden.

To me, we are talking a lot about how drastic a change the trade was but when you look about it wasn't so huge, we just lost one key guy in Perk, will replace him in the starting lineup with a guy already integrated and who has proven his worth, and we just have to integrate key guys off the bench. The big change (the loss of Perkins) was made months ago, when we played from October to mid-January without Perk, which is a lot of months to learn how to play without him and with Shaq instead. The transition was made there.

We're not talking about a major shakeup a la Orlando this season where you lose two key starters and have to integrate two new ones. Plus, extra practice time and an easier schedule will only help integrate the new guys and I'm sure it was taken into consideration when the idea of the trade emerged.

[incoherent]

I voted, liked it and still like it.

During deadline day I was on here posting my sorrow for Perk and praise for Danny.

[Jon]

I voted that I didn't like it at first, but I like it now. 

It's still early.  However, I think the team is better when Shaq starts games and an offensively talented player who can hit free throws finishes them (like BBD or Green).  That would've only left the middle of games for Perk to really help us.  And I think we can get by with Nenad, Troy, and JO in that role. 

[incoherent]

I've always thought that Danny won the trade "on paper", but thought -- and still think -- that he underestimated the importance of chemistry and the difficulty of working new players into our rotation (especially on the defensive end).  I'm still in that boat.

Has your thoughts on chemistry changed at all seeing the C's pass the ball around like mad men with Krystic and Green in the lineup, finding the open man. Rondo ally-oop to Green on fast breaks.  Chemistry seems like it's already there, too me. 

Doesn't it at least look like the chemistry is starting to build already and that is translating to really good play on the court.

[amenhotep04]

I voted, liked it and still like it.

During deadline day I was on here posting my sorrow for Perk and praise for Danny.

Yeah, I was shocked when I heard the trade, but more shocked that so many people both here and in the media were saying we took a step back.

I've read and listened to a bunch of people on the trade and I still don't understand how they are reaching their conclusions. The criteria or evidence has been incomplete, and the logic appears to be weak.

But whatever, I think our chances for a championship this season have improved immensely, but honestly, at this point, my real concern is Delonte. I think this team needs him. I expect the four and five spot to be healthy enough, even if it's a rotation of Krstic, KG, Murphy, BBD, and Green, which frankly is a pretty good rotation.

[Mencius]

I was unsure on the day of the trade, but like it now.  I didn't know enough about Krstic or Green's games enough to have an informed opinion, but wanted to give Danny the benefit of any doubt there was, because I respect his eye for talent.  Having seen them, coupled with adding Murphy, I think we've clearly upgraded our talent.

I just hope they all can get the defensive and offensive schemes by the time the playoffs roll around.  I think they will, and with each round we get past, they'll be more and more comfortable in our system.  Ballsy move by Danny, but I think we're going to like the results.

[mgent]

At first i didn't think we got enough value in the trade but that was before we found out there was a 1st involved.  I still don't think it was a necessary risk but if Danny knew Murphy was gonna sign here it makes a little more sense.

At least he finally got us a SF for the first time since 08.  If Shaq and JO are by some miracle healthy for the playoff run he'll look like a genius.  If not we've got to deal with a rotation of Krstic and Murphy (+ more minutes for Baby than we want).

[Roy H.]

I've always thought that Danny won the trade "on paper", but thought -- and still think -- that he underestimated the importance of chemistry and the difficulty of working new players into our rotation (especially on the defensive end).  I'm still in that boat.

Has your thoughts on chemistry changed at all seeing the C's pass the ball around like mad men with Krystic and Green in the lineup, finding the open man. Rondo ally-oop to Green on fast breaks.  Chemistry seems like it's already there, too me. 

Doesn't it at least look like the chemistry is starting to build already and that is translating to really good play on the court.

No, I'm not convinced yet, at least in terms of cohesion.  The defense has looked downright bad at times, which is to be expected when integrating new guys and when others are hurt.  When the team is playing defense at a championship level again, I'll be convinced.

I'm not trying to be a spoil sport, but at the same time I think it will be a long time until we can evaluate this trade.  I like Jeff Green as a 6th man; I'm not all that enamored with Krstic at the moment (at least not as much as many fans), but I'll like him better in a bench role, I think. 

Frankly, I don't think the team is good enough to win a championship with Nenad Krstic as our starting center.  As has always been the case, I think that if Shaq can step up and fill Perk's role -- like he did for a lot of the season, especially early -- we'll be fine, and if he can't, we won't.

[GreenFaith1819]

Count me in the "Didn't like it at first, but like it now" group.

I absolutely hated it and was shocked when it first went down - for only about an hour.

Then I started to realize that Danny isn't crazy, nor is he trying to deliberately tank this season in the name of trading.