Poll: Has your opinion of the trade changed since it occurred?

[slamtheking]

I suppose on the plus side for the trades, no one's opinion of the trades as gotten worse as time has gone by based on the responses

[slamtheking]

  I'm not on board with the Semih/Gody trade or the Daniels trade at this point.  Murphy isn't producing what Semih and Gody produced. 

  You don't think that Murphy will be producing more than Semih/Gody by the time the playoffs roll around?

I would assume so but that's just an assumption.  He hasn't yet and due to the lack of depth on the team now, he really needs to produce some quality minutes.  nothing spectacular but a few baskets a game and some rebounds.  I think his problem right now is that he's not getting easier baskets in close to get in a rhythm.  I think if he starts out games with easier buckets, that will get him going.

[LooseCannon]

Murphy isn't producing what Semih and Gody produced.  The two of them combined were definitely worth more than a high second round pick.

I think Erden may have been worth a late first round pick.  Having to take on Harangody dropped that down to an early second round pick for the two of them combined.

I'm not sure how Marquis Daniels could have been used to get anything of value when he is a free agent who has a potentially career-ending injury.  Ainge was fine getting a salary dump without having to send an actual asset as a fee for another team to take on salary.  Kings fans should actually be p---ed that the Kings aren't getting something like a second round pick for rental of their cap space.

That's the thing -- Erden was showing real promise and someone who was definitely the equivalent of at least a late first round pick this year (or any year) or better yet a serviceable PG or wing.  Maybe not Green's level of player but someone that could have plugged the wing hole and allowed us to keep Perk for the playoffs.  Luke had a good showing against the Knicks the other night.  Let's see how he does the rest of the year before we start saying Luke was a burden on Cle. 

I don't disagree with your take on Daniels and Sac but he also might have been swung for a wing or PG signed through next year as a sort of salary dump for another team.   

I'm not sure what was available to Danny but there were definitely players in the market this year and I'm still not sold that the moves he made were necessary or the best he could have done.  I do like Green and Krstic but am doubtful they had to come at the cost of Perk, Semih, Nate, Luke and Daniels.  Until Murphy, Pavlovic and now Arroyo produce anything for this team, that's essentially what all the trades equate to: 5 players for 2. 

Harangody is an easily replaceable talent, if you are talking about under-sized, unathletic power forwards.  He may end up useful for some team somewhere, but he doesn't have trade value because there's nothing obviously special about him.

Daniels didn't make enough to take on a mistake contract.  His salary fits a trade for someone signed to the bi-annual exception, and those have a max of two years.  Trading for someone else's mistake is often going to be taking on a bad contract signed for at least two more full seasons, and Ainge seems to really hate taking on such deals.

Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.  Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.

[droponov]

Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.

I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future.

Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.

Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario.

[vinnie]

I suppose on the plus side for the trades, no one's opinion of the trades as gotten worse as time has gone by based on the responses

This is a key point, actually. No one likes the trade less today than they did the day it was made.

[csfansince60s]

I suppose on the plus side for the trades, no one's opinion of the trades as gotten worse as time has gone by based on the responses

This is a key point, actually. No one likes the trade less today than they did the day it was made.

Vinnie, that was some of the info I was trying to tease out by creating the poll. Good analysis of the results so far!!

[bbd24]

I liked the trade back then, and now even more. At the time, getting an athletic 24 yr old like Jeff Green plus the 1st round Clipper pick was gold in my mind. Especially for a role player like Perk whose coming off major knee surgery and was looking for a payday we couldn't afford. I had no clue Krstic could spread the floor with that 15-17 footer and had good hands. Thats just another bonus in the trade. Especially once Shaq and JO come back and Krstic is in that backup role. A lot better than Semih.

Built for now and the future. Green only gets better at 24 and is right on pace for improving his game even more.  Rondo, Pierce, Allen, and KG will make sure of it. Any players game improves when these guys are out there around them. Rondo/Green could be deadly in the future alone.

[Eja117]

I picked didn't like it at first, now unsure.

[LooseCannon]

Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.

I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future.

Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.

Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario.

I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden.  Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense.  Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.

What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match?  I would argue you can get something decent for that.

[droponov]

Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.

I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future.

Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.

Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario.

I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden.  Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense.  Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.

What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match?  I would argue you can get something decent for that.

Bradley's absolute ceiling is Alvin Robertson, but a more realistic ceiling is Gerald Henderson. I don't think GMs around the league value him as a mid 1st round pick. I don't think his value has improved since the Summer  - it doesn't make any sense actually, as he's been having a very underwhelming rookie season. I also don't think Erden is worth a 1st rounder. Both of those are highly unrealistic values.

Even if they were, what player would that package get you? Maybe if Robinson was an expiring... but even in that case I can't think of many options.

Nah, I think that if it was Ainge's option, he would have shipped Bradley and retained Perkins. Easy decision.

[Megatron]

Ultimately, I think Ainge made the deals he made because he would rather trade Perkins than Avery Bradley.

I don't think so. Bradley is a borderline NBA player now with the potential to become a modest starter/good backup in the future.

Robinson's contract+Erden+Bradley may have been able to net a back-up three that would have been closer in quality to Jeff Green than Cleveland's Anthony Parker.

Doubtful. Like whom? Robison was salary filler, Erden is worth a 2nd rounder... who would have so much interest in Bradley? I think that's an extremely unrealistic scenario.

I think Bradley has way more trade value than Erden.  Erden's maximum upside is basically Nenad Krstic with worse offense and better defense.  Bradley's maximum upside is an above average starting shooting guard along the lines of a poor man's Monta Ellis on offense with NBA All-Defensive caliber defense.

What can you get for the equivalent of a mid-first round pick (Bradley), the equivalent of a late first round pick (Erden), and Robinson's contract to make the numbers match?  I would argue you can get something decent for that.

Bradley's absolute ceiling is Alvin Robertson, but a more realistic ceiling is Gerald Henderson. I don't think GMs around the league value him as a mid 1st round pick. I don't think his value has improved since the Summer  - it doesn't make any sense actually, as he's been having a very underwhelming rookie season. I also don't think Erden is worth a 1st rounder. Both of those are highly unrealistic values.

Even if they were, what player would that package get you? Maybe if Robinson was an expiring... but even in that case I can't think of many options.

Nah, I think that if it was Ainge's option, he would have shipped Bradley and retained Perkins. Easy decision.

You cant possibly judge Bradleys ceiling yet, nobody has seen him play. He has the physical tools to be great.

Hes lightning fast, plays incredible defense, is extremely athletic.

He just needs to be developed. C's arent going to focus on developing Bradley until they rebuild post-big 3. Only then will we get to see what Bradleys made of, he certainly has the physical talent to be great, that much we know.

Rondo was the #21 pick in the draft...he easily is a #1 pick talent wise now that we see how he has developed.

[jdz101]

Cant deny a massive boston win in team chemistry and wins in the short term.

Boston after the trade (Krstic, Green) - 85 points, 30 something rebounds.

Oklahoma City (Perk, Nate) - 6 points, 1 rebound, 2 medium term injuries.

[Megatron]

Cant deny a massive boston win in team chemistry and wins in the short term.

Boston after the trade (Krstic, Green) - 85 points, 30 something rebounds.

Oklahoma City (Perk, Nate) - 6 points, 1 rebound, 2 medium term injuries.

Wow.

Funny thing is, I cant see those stats for the Celtics changing even if Nate/Perk were playing.

Nate cant hit a shot and hasnt all season, Perkins couldnt hit a shot period.

[jdz101]

Cant deny a massive boston win in team chemistry and wins in the short term.

Boston after the trade (Krstic, Green) - 85 points, 30 something rebounds.

Oklahoma City (Perk, Nate) - 6 points, 1 rebound, 2 medium term injuries.

Wow.

Funny thing is, I cant see those stats for the Celtics changing even if Nate/Perk were playing.

Nate cant hit a shot and hasnt all season, Perkins couldnt hit a shot period.

You sir have hit the nail on the head for why the trade happened.

[dysgenic]

I voted didn't like it at first, now unsure.  You can definetely see the potential there in Green, BUT it is really difficult to predict how a young player will respond to the type of situation he has been thrust into.  A lot of young players need to play big minutes or they lose focus.  A lot of young players would have trouble performing in the playoffs in this type of situation.
Outside of that, I see Green as a wildcard.  Great athleticism, but too many inconsistencies for my taste.  Plus it drives me insane that he doesn't rebound for his size.  Then again, there is no doubt that he will score.  And how much of a factor was Perk's injury?  This one could go either way.
BTW, I'm not a fan of Kristich. If Shaq and JO come back, he is my 3rd center unless Murphy can somehow get his fat ass in shape.  As a role player that doesn't play much, I would like him a lot better.