Corey Brewer bought out (updates) Celtics interested

[droponov]

Brewer's easily one of the leagues top wing defenders

The rest of your post makes sense (even if I disagree), but this is a massive overstatement IMO.  He may have some potential defensively, but there is no way he is a top wing defender right now. 

Yeah, agree. Brewer could be a guy that you want to help defensively on the wing..but he's a far cry from 'easily one of the leagues top wing defenders'.

Why?

[Cman]

Well, who's next that deserves a 25 pages long thread? Arroyo? Hughes? Pavlovic? Powe?

 I like Pavlovic. Don't think he'd play much but seems like a good decent insurance player..

ditto.  i would be into azuibuike as well if it gives the Cs a leg up in signing him next year (since he's done for this year).

[celticinorlando]

There is no one worth signing.all scrAps that suck

[Tai]

I think that having too many solid role players could have actually hurt this team. I think that the reason our team went so deep last year after the Nate trade was partly due to the fact that the rotations shortened. So maybe, this may help our causes... but it certainly doesn't hurt it.

Eh, I believe Brewer had the chance to beat out Wafer in the rotation. So, at best we have our starters and then possibly a bench of West/Brewer/Green/BBD or Murphy/Krstic. I'd like to believe at least 5 bench players get time if it meant our starters were rested and ready to go in the 4th quarter when they'd be needed the most...

[RebusRankin]

Who else is out there?

[Chris]

Brewer's easily one of the leagues top wing defenders

The rest of your post makes sense (even if I disagree), but this is a massive overstatement IMO.  He may have some potential defensively, but there is no way he is a top wing defender right now. 

Yeah, agree. Brewer could be a guy that you want to help defensively on the wing..but he's a far cry from 'easily one of the leagues top wing defenders'.

Why?

What do you mean why?  He just isn't an elite defender (may be in the future, but is not there yet).

[Greenbean]

You gotta love that a playoff (maybe championship) contender is willing to sign a guy to a multi year deal that the Knicks just gave away for nothing. And if they had the means to do so, two other championship contenders (Spurs, Celtics) would haev offered the same thing.

Maybe the Knicks are getting the big moves right but they are far from championship level as far as management goes if they continue to screw up the little moves!

[celticinorlando]

Who else is out there?

crapavic, mo peterson...and azabuke and his busted knee...you could combine those 3 guys and still not have an average player

[indeedproceed]

Brewer's easily one of the leagues top wing defenders

The rest of your post makes sense (even if I disagree), but this is a massive overstatement IMO.  He may have some potential defensively, but there is no way he is a top wing defender right now.  

Yeah, agree. Brewer could be a guy that you want to help defensively on the wing..but he's a far cry from 'easily one of the leagues top wing defenders'.

Why?

Because while Brewer has the athleticism and length to be a good defender, he's never been asked to play the role of lockdown defender for a good team, and if asked to play that role night in, night out, I doubt his ability as presently apparent. He could grow into the role, but he's not there yet.

Saying Corey Brewer is 'easily one of the league's top wing defenders' because statistically there is some data that supports it is like saying Brandon Rush is one of the league's best perimeter defenders (which statistically speaking, he is).

[Chris]

You gotta love that a playoff (maybe championship) contender is willing to sign a guy to a multi year deal that the Knicks just gave away for nothing. And if they had the means to do so, two other championship contenders (Spurs, Celtics) would haev offered the same thing.

Maybe the Knicks are getting the big moves right but they are far from championship level as far as management goes if they continue to screw up the little moves!

Who should they have cut instead of him?  Other than Andy Rautins (who they are apparently high on, but who knows if he is a player), I think they made the right call.  Brewer did not fit into their system at all, and Jeffries will help them much more (he played very well for them last year).  

Derrick Brown is a little more questionable, but I think he is a quality prospect who fits into what the Knicks do better than Brewer, and gives them a little more size up front.

So, since Brewer did not fit in well, and likely wouldn't have helped them this year, and they likely would have just let him walk this summer as a free agent, it makes sense that they let him go now to bring in guys who could fill more immediate needs.

[snively]

Maybe the immortal Mario West will get a call-up.  Knows the system, can play annoying defense in bursts, an NBA vet. 

Aren't we limited as to 13 playoff roster spots?  I'm torn as to whether we should bring in a 3rd string PG or a defensive specialist wing for that last spot (I'm assuming that Avery Bradley's going to be inactive and we're going to bring our entire tribe of bigs).

Considering how much Rondo plays, I guess I'd rather close my eyes, hope for a fully healthy Delonte and pretend Wafer is a 3rd string PG, while adding a defense-oriented wing.

[celticinorlando]

Maybe the immortal Mario West will get a call-up.  Knows the system, can play annoying defense in bursts, an NBA vet. 

Aren't we limited as to 13 playoff roster spots?  I'm torn as to whether we should bring in a 3rd string PG or a defensive specialist wing for that last spot (I'm assuming that Avery Bradley's going to be inactive and we're going to bring our entire tribe of bigs).

Considering how much Rondo plays, I guess I'd rather close my eyes, hope for a fully healthy Delonte and pretend Wafer is a 3rd string PG, while adding a defense-oriented wing.

15 roster spots...12 dress

[droponov]

Brewer's easily one of the leagues top wing defenders

The rest of your post makes sense (even if I disagree), but this is a massive overstatement IMO.  He may have some potential defensively, but there is no way he is a top wing defender right now.  

Yeah, agree. Brewer could be a guy that you want to help defensively on the wing..but he's a far cry from 'easily one of the leagues top wing defenders'.

Why?

Because while Brewer has the athleticism and length to be a good defender, he's never been asked to play the role of lockdown defender for a good team, and if asked to play that role night in, night out, I doubt his ability as presently apparent. He could grow into the role, but he's not there yet.

Saying Corey Brewer is 'easily one of the league's top wing defenders' because statistically there is some data that supports it is like saying Brandon Rush is one of the league's best perimeter defenders (which statistically speaking, he is).

I'm very confused. You're saying he isn't a good defender because... he doesn't play for a good team? That he'd regress as a defender in a good team? I mean, if now in Dallas he plays defense at the exact same level he played in Minny, is he an elite wing defender?

Who's saying that "Brewer is 'easily one of the league's top wing defenders' because statistically there is some data that supports it"? I didn't read that in this thread. Can you quote that?

Can you point out any basketball reasons why Brewer isn't an elite wing defender? What does he do worse than elite wing defenders?

[Greenbean]

You gotta love that a playoff (maybe championship) contender is willing to sign a guy to a multi year deal that the Knicks just gave away for nothing. And if they had the means to do so, two other championship contenders (Spurs, Celtics) would haev offered the same thing.

Maybe the Knicks are getting the big moves right but they are far from championship level as far as management goes if they continue to screw up the little moves!

Who should they have cut instead of him?  Other than Andy Rautins (who they are apparently high on, but who knows if he is a player), I think they made the right call.  Brewer did not fit into their system at all, and Jeffries will help them much more (he played very well for them last year).  

Derrick Brown is a little more questionable, but I think he is a quality prospect who fits into what the Knicks do better than Brewer, and gives them a little more size up front.

So, since Brewer did not fit in well, and likely wouldn't have helped them this year, and they likely would have just let him walk this summer as a free agent, it makes sense that they let him go now to bring in guys who could fill more immediate needs.

Roger Mason.

If Roger Mason fits in more with what they are doing then they are wrong about what they should be doing.

Brewer is not terribly skilled offensively, but you would think that they recognize the value of a defensive player like Brewer in the playoffs. He also runs the floor and can play in an uptempo offense wheere you need to create turnovers on defense to flourish.

Maybe you are low on Brewer but 3 championship contenders were just making hard pushes for his service.

How many guys get multi year deals after being let go by a team?!?!?!?

[droponov]

Brewer's easily one of the leagues top wing defenders

The rest of your post makes sense (even if I disagree), but this is a massive overstatement IMO.  He may have some potential defensively, but there is no way he is a top wing defender right now. 

Yeah, agree. Brewer could be a guy that you want to help defensively on the wing..but he's a far cry from 'easily one of the leagues top wing defenders'.

Why?

What do you mean why?  He just isn't an elite defender (may be in the future, but is not there yet).

Why means why. Why isn't he an elite defender. Your proclamation isn't a reason. There must be reasons why he isn't an elite wing defender.

What makes an elite wing defender to you? WHo are them? LeBron, Deng, Iguodala, Thabo, Marion... are these elite wing defender? Why isn't Brewer at their level, what does he do worse? Isolations? Off-the-ball? Screens? Help defense? Transition? Doesn't contest shots so well? What's elite in terms of production? Allowing 0.80 points per play? A maximum of 0.75 points per play?