Sorry Danny ya screwed up on this one

[sdceltsfan]

Is everyone against this failing to see that Perk hasn't even played in a dozen games for us this season and we are still a #1 seed as of now with our other 2 Centers also injured? Kristic at least is fully able-bodied at the moment, and Jeff Green is by far the best player in this trade.....we also get a 1st rounder and now free up roster spots which will be very appealing to waived players who are well aware of the new needs the team has.
     Way too early to be already chalking this up as a loss....im pretty stoked on it

[Onslaught]

Not to underestimate what Perk brought defensively but he was an offensive liability that didn't even play at the end of games.  Not to mention that we played extremely well without Perk for most of the year.

A lot will depend on Shaq but is he can stay heatlhy, I think we just got better and definitely more versatile.

Shaq will not give us much. Shaq will be in foul trouble most of the time. The trade does not make sense to me still.

Yep, look at most of the big games vs Orlando or LA. Shaq was on the bench with foul troubles. Now who do we put in? Can JO use Paul's wheelchair and play?

[CelticSooner]

Is everyone against this failing to see that Perk hasn't even played in a dozen games for us this season and we are still a #1 seed as of now with our other 2 Centers also injured? Kristic at least is fully able-bodied at the moment, and Jeff Green is by far the best player in this trade.....we also get a 1st rounder and now free up roster spots which will be very appealing to waived players who are well aware of the new needs the team has.
     Way too early to be already chalking this up as a loss....im pretty stoked on it

I'm neither stoked or down. It's a gamble that may or may not pay off. C's cannot count on the O'Neals in postseason either way. They have to get another big.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

You don't trade away a critical peace of your team when you have a shot to win a championship for the future.  Idc if we wouldn't have gotten anything back in return for Perk. 

If we won a championship it would have been worth it.

Chances like this at a championship don't come around very often like this.

i bet you thought Theo messed up when he traded Nomar.....

Nomar was a jerk and no one liked him in the clubhouse. This is 180 degrees oppposite. No comparison.

And THAT is the major force behind all these reactions on these boards. Your answer right there... Perk not being a jerk has nothing to do with his actual value to the team as a presense on the floor. People are extremely emotionally attached to Perk, and thats ok so was I, great guy. But we beat Miami twice without him (and countless other teams) and had the best d in the league. KG is the anchor of our team defense, not Perk. I have no idea what's gonna happen but I feel like perk's impact can be made up for on the offensive end with some of the centers i'm hearing about. as well as FINALLY having a good backup for pierce since the James Posey era.

[PosImpos]

Can somebody with insider post a synopsis of Hollinger's take on this trade for the Celtics and the Thunder?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Celtics-Thunder-110224&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dCeltics-Thunder-110224

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[jc3celticsphan]

2012...and with a top ten pick in the draft boston celtics select guard austin rivers

[jc3celticsphan]

Is everyone against this failing to see that Perk hasn't even played in a dozen games for us this season and we are still a #1 seed as of now with our other 2 Centers also injured? Kristic at least is fully able-bodied at the moment, and Jeff Green is by far the best player in this trade.....we also get a 1st rounder and now free up roster spots which will be very appealing to waived players who are well aware of the new needs the team has.
     Way too early to be already chalking this up as a loss....im pretty stoked on it

i loved the trade too.. i think ppl are taking the loss of perk way too hard he was the only person on our starting 5 thats replaceable.. i honestly hated perkins offense and decision making  but his defense will certainly be missed... what every one must realize is

we traded jeff green for ray allen n glen davis. we just got him back plus a top ten pick in the draft

[Kiorrik]

Haven't felt this bad about losing "something" in a long, long while.

Feels horrible.

Didn't cry or anything, but this is as emotional as I've been since I left my life in Holland behind. Crazy.

Hearing KG & Paul talk about it, reading about Perk's reply, Doc & Danny's heartfelt "goodbyes" with the fella, Nate's words, and nothing out of Rondo... it doesn't help.

Feels like Powe, times ten.


- apart from that, I kind of see what Danny did there, and will eventually get over it, of course :p

[Drucci]

I can understand the logic of trading Perk and planning for the future. With that said I don't necessarily agree with it because I have two major concerns :

1. Chemistry. Of course our key guys remain the Big 4 and they are pros but it's still a worry. I'm especially concerned about Rondo who was best bud with Perk and who has a strong attitude. He refused to meet the media yesterday.

2. Integration of the new guys. To me this is the biggest problem. We have 26 games left (or less with the probable players signed after a buyout) to make them learn our sets.

3. Health. The thing is, it would have been critical even with Perk. We just made it even more critical now that we rely solely on Shaq and JO but still, it doesn't really change that much now that Perk is gone, it was always a critical factor and the only one we can't predict or control so... let's be optimistic.

Finally, I do agree that it was the right move in the sense that we desperately need scoring. People forget it but we were up by 13 with 15 minutes to go in game 7 last year. The rebounding of the Lakers killed us but it killed us as much as our scoring drought that lasted for almost the entire 4th quarter because of tired legs... so hopefully Green and the buyout guys will help us to keep Ray and Paul fresh and provide some reliable and consistent boost off the bench.

[droponov]

Can somebody with insider post a synopsis of Hollinger's take on this trade for the Celtics and the Thunder?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Celtics-Thunder-110224&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dCeltics-Thunder-110224

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First article:

Take note, Lakers and Magic fans: The Celtics are effectively betting against you.

They'll never say so in so many words, but actions speak much louder. And today's actions said that when playoff time rolls around, Boston thinks it will need perimeter depth, floor spacing and the ability to play smaller a lot more than it'll need quality low-post defenders.

Translation: Miami is the threat here, not Orlando. And if the Celtics survive, it's San Antonio, not the Lakers, whom they now match up better against.

As a result of these moves, Boston is certainly well-positioned for the future -- the Celtics have draft picks and will be in position to make a hard run at Howard in free agency in 2012. They have jettisoned Perkins and have one year left on the deals of Shaquille and Jermaine O'Neal. From that angle, this trade is basically a neon sign that says, "Yo, Dwight -- over here!"

Thus, the reliance on the unreliables. West can handle the point if he stays healthy, but he has played only six games this season and has missed big chunks of the past two seasons.

Meanwhile, Shaq defends Howard nearly as capably as Perkins does, but generally speaking, he isn't available as often -(....) Jermaine O'Neal could also be in the mix, but he's been out most of the season with knee problems.

One other point, since everyone is attacking the Celtics over this trade: Perkins has played only 12 games this season and Boston still has the best record in the East; the Celtics also nearly won Game 7 of the Finals in Los Angeles last year without him. Generally speaking, they'll get by. Additionally, the Celtics needed somebody on the wings to replace the injured Daniels (who was dealt to Sacramento today), meaning that somebody with value had to depart -- Perkins was the most logical candidate.

Nonetheless, one suspects if the Celtics still saw the Lakers and Magic as their two prime playoff threats, they wouldn't have made this deal. The fact the Heat and Spurs have played so well, one suspects, has altered their thinking.

To sum it up: they're trusting injury-prone players will be healthy; more worried about Miami, San Antonio and Chicago than about Orlando and Lakers.

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Second link: the Thunder are now contenders; have set the core with which they're going to compete in the next few years. Maybe too young to win this season. Mohammed acquisition underrated. Ibaka and Collison now full-time PFs, their best positions; they're better at the 4 than Green/Krstic anyway. Improved at the 4 and 5 with a single move.

[RockinRyA]

I can just imagine the outrage now if we didn't win a title and Perkins walked. 

trust me there are a lot of posters who think they know what's best that would be bashing danny for not trading perk when he had the chance, or if perk suffers another major injury and he chose to take a chance on him despite his injury history.

too many smartmouth declaring this trade as a fail without seeing the new players play with the team.

Perk is my second favorite celtic, after PP. But after he got injured during the finals, i kinda resigned myself to the fact that sooner or later perk will be gone, either he doesnt come back well from his injury or we lose him to free agency without getting a thing.

[droponov]

If Jermaine O'Neal can play at an acceptable level in the play-offs, I think Boston needed to do this trade.

I didn't like their chances against Miami with a wing rotation of Paul Pierce/Ray Allen/Von Wafer/Delonte West. Regardless of the strong interior and help defense in the last reg. season win, I think that was fools gold. I also don't think guys like Butler or Parker would change anything significantly. Not with the kind of wings Boston will face.

I also didn't like that their best small-ball line-up was Pierce at the 4.

I believe Jeff Green is a very above average defender at the 3, especially versus the big wings Boston will face in the playoffs: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Luol Deng, Hedo Turkoglu, maybe Durant.


I think Jermaine O'Neal is more important than Shaq. The other day I noticed in Synergy that Jermaine was one of the best post defenders in the NBA last season and spent quite some time looking at his clips. If he can play at that level this season, I don't think the Celtics interior defense got any worse. I'm slightly worried about the rebounding and, in fact, I'm a bit worried that the offense got worst because of O'Neal trying to do too much, unlike Perkins.

[nba is the worst]

If Jermaine O'Neal can play at an acceptable level in the play-offs, I think Boston needed to do this trade.

I didn't like their chances against Miami with a wing rotation of Paul Pierce/Ray Allen/Von Wafer/Delonte West. Regardless of the strong interior and help defense in the last reg. season win, I think that was fools gold. I also don't think guys like Butler or Parker would change anything significantly. Not with the kind of wings Boston will face.

I also didn't like that their best small-ball line-up was Pierce at the 4.

I believe Jeff Green is a very above average defender at the 3, especially versus the big wings Boston will face in the playoffs: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Luol Deng, Hedo Turkoglu, maybe Durant.


I think Jermaine O'Neal is more important than Shaq. The other day I noticed in Synergy that Jermaine was one of the best post defenders in the NBA last season and spent quite some time looking at his clips. If he can play at that level this season, I don't think the Celtics interior defense got any worse. I'm slightly worried about the rebounding and, in fact, I'm a bit worried that the offense got worst because of O'Neal trying to do too much, unlike Perkins.

Problem with this theory is that JO is done, and his signing was the worst off-season acquisition of any contender.

Hard to believe anyone thinks that this team is more likely to win the title now than before the trade.

[elcotte]

You don't trade away a critical peace of your team when you have a shot to win a championship for the future.  Idc if we wouldn't have gotten anything back in return for Perk. 

If we won a championship it would have been worth it.

Chances like this at a championship don't come around very often like this.

i bet you thought Theo messed up when he traded Nomar.....

Nomar was a jerk and no one liked him in the clubhouse. This is 180 degrees oppposite. No comparison.

So what if he was a jerk. The point is he was the starting shortstop and they took a risk and traded him and went on to win. I love Perk like a lot of people....and I'll continue to love him in OKC. But that doesn't mean this is a doom and gloom situation.

[droponov]

If Jermaine O'Neal can play at an acceptable level in the play-offs, I think Boston needed to do this trade.

I didn't like their chances against Miami with a wing rotation of Paul Pierce/Ray Allen/Von Wafer/Delonte West. Regardless of the strong interior and help defense in the last reg. season win, I think that was fools gold. I also don't think guys like Butler or Parker would change anything significantly. Not with the kind of wings Boston will face.

I also didn't like that their best small-ball line-up was Pierce at the 4.

I believe Jeff Green is a very above average defender at the 3, especially versus the big wings Boston will face in the playoffs: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Luol Deng, Hedo Turkoglu, maybe Durant.


I think Jermaine O'Neal is more important than Shaq. The other day I noticed in Synergy that Jermaine was one of the best post defenders in the NBA last season and spent quite some time looking at his clips. If he can play at that level this season, I don't think the Celtics interior defense got any worse. I'm slightly worried about the rebounding and, in fact, I'm a bit worried that the offense got worst because of O'Neal trying to do too much, unlike Perkins.

Problem with this theory is that JO is done, and his signing was the worst off-season acquisition of any contender.

Hard to believe anyone thinks that this team is more likely to win the title now than before the trade.

How do you know?