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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #210 on: February 03, 2011, 05:27:47 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova


Playoff team as long as you replace all the team doctors and trainers. 

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #211 on: February 03, 2011, 05:29:16 PM »

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John Wall has far superior creativity in his passing compared to Jose Calderon.

Calderon is better at fundamental passing. Executing an offense and delivering timely passes to the right spot to the right player on a regular basis. Also far less mistakes.

Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker


Difference of experience vs. superior talent without experience.  

I disagree.  I don't think Wall has the basketball IQ Calderon has.  I am sure he will get better, but Calderon is exceptionally good at running an offense and seeing the game before it happens.  I just don't see that from Wall.  

Now, Wall on the other hand is great at making the game work for him.  He can force the defense to do things much better than Calderon could ever dream.  But he does not seem to have that innate ability to see things before they happen...which is good, because if he did he would be downright unstoppable.

This to me is the other extreme. Jose Calderon, when he became someone people talked about, was already 25 or 26 years old, a 3 yr NBA vet, and 1 year removed from taking Tau Ceramica to a Euroleague 2nd place finish as a starting point, after playing 6 more previous years as a PG in the Euroleague.

John Wall had 1 year in a substantially less competitive league, and 4 years in a way less competitive league before this season, and he's still going nuts. Sure, he makes dumb decisions with the ball, but to say he'll never get the cerebral basketball prowess of like a Jose Calderon is really premature. We have no idea who John Wall will be, all we know is that he'll be superfast.

OK, lets compare him with Rondo.  A guy with some of the same physical tools, who came into the league in at least a similar age, and someone who I would say has that elite court awareness similar to Calderon's.

In watching them both in college and then at the beginning of their careers as pro's, I see a significant difference in their court vision, and basketball IQ.  With Rondo, you could just see it even from when he was in highschool.  While he still had to learn how to control it a bit more, he always had that inate ability to control everything, and to just know what was going to happen.  I have yet to see that with Wall.  

I think Wall is a talented passer, but I think he relies more on his freakish athleticism than his brain.  Guys like Rondo on the other hand can pick a defense apart without taking a step.  

Now, I think Wall is already one of the top PG's in the league, and I feel like within 2-3 years, he will have left guys like Rondo, and even Williams and Paul (if his knee doesn't get better) in the dust as the most dominant PG in the league.  But I think he is a different style.  He is just faster and stronger than everyone else, and he knows how to use it...and while he is not on the same level as Rondo mentally, he is a better floor leader than someone like Westbrook, who is one of the few guys who can match him physically. 

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #212 on: February 03, 2011, 05:30:38 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

I think it works. The fact that you have a high BBIQ and excellent passing SF in Prince will help balance out a starting five with Mo Williams at PG.

Aldridge is blossoming. Which means a season-ending injury has to be around the corner, I'm afraid.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #213 on: February 03, 2011, 05:30:59 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova


Playoff team as long as you replace all the team doctors and trainers. 
And done...

Pink slips went out to that crew shortly after I took over. LOL.

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #214 on: February 03, 2011, 05:50:29 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #215 on: February 03, 2011, 05:52:07 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

I'd like to finally speak out about my thoughts on this.  During the CB Draft, I feel like some young players, specifically Ilyasova, Batum, and Casspi were very highly praised.  I had absolutely no idea how people had such strong opinions on these players, but everybody seemed very confidently high on them.  I assumed people watched League Pass way more than I did, because I had seen them each play maybe once or twice in fairly limited minutes to not gather much of an impression on them.

After seeing them more and paying more attention to them this season (specifically Batum and Casspi), I feel like my original thoughts have been reinforced this season - they are all merely serviceable/solid role players.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think some of us have been bullied in these drafts by some posters to thinking some of these players are more than they are.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #216 on: February 03, 2011, 05:56:46 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

I'd like to finally speak out about my thoughts on this.  During the CB Draft, I feel like some young players, specifically Ilyasova, Batum, and Casspi were very highly praised.  I had absolutely no idea how people had such strong opinions on these players, but everybody seemed very confidently high on them.  I assumed people watched League Pass way more than I did, because I had seen them each play maybe once or twice in fairly limited minutes to not gather much of an impression on them.

After seeing them more and paying more attention to them this season (specifically Batum and Casspi), I feel like my original thoughts have been reinforced this season - they are all merely serviceable/solid role players.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think some of us have been bullied in these drafts by some posters to thinking some of these players are more than they are.

These exercises always overvalue youth and downplay experience. It's just the way it is.

You can much more easily say that players younger than 23 years old will develop along such and such an arc than defend the belief that a 30-year old former all-star will approach numbers close to what he achieved in his prime.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #217 on: February 03, 2011, 06:01:40 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

I'd like to finally speak out about my thoughts on this.  During the CB Draft, I feel like some young players, specifically Ilyasova, Batum, and Casspi were very highly praised.  I had absolutely no idea how people had such strong opinions on these players, but everybody seemed very confidently high on them.  I assumed people watched League Pass way more than I did, because I had seen them each play maybe once or twice in fairly limited minutes to not gather much of an impression on them.

After seeing them more and paying more attention to them this season (specifically Batum and Casspi), I feel like my original thoughts have been reinforced this season - they are all merely serviceable/solid role players.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think some of us have been bullied in these drafts by some posters to thinking some of these players are more than they are.

It depends on what your expectations are.  Batum, for instance, is a guy who can max out as a less crazy Ron Artest / more athletic Shane Battier.  That's a very valuable player, I think.  It doesn't make him a superstar, but it does make him somebody worth praising.  The Blazers, Nuggets, and a lot of other actual NBA teams put a very high value on him.

I was never as high on Ilyasova or Casspi, but both hold value, as well.  I wouldn't want either as a starter, but both should be rotation players for about a decade.  (And yes, IP wildly overrated him in the summer draft, and his performance this season justifies some of the doubters.)


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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2011, 06:15:27 PM »

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I little something about the Ilyasova pick:

First, I've seen him play, I think, four times this year and each time he has played very well and against good competition(Boston, LA, Dallas and SA). But he has been wildly inconsistent from what I have read and box scores I have seen.

But, I had three other players pegged into my 4th round pick and they were all rather similar to players I already had,two of them being bigs. I wanted different skills off the bench. Ilyasova gives my frontcourt a different look depending on who I trot out there at any given time.

I liked that. I also liked that he can play the perimeter from the 4 spot and guard the perimeter against perimeter type PFs. He's also fouling less this year.

So given the versatility, youth and possibility of growth in his game, I took him. Do I think he's a world beater? Heck no. I'm not sure he will even be my "sixth man". But I wanted his size and abilities on my team and felt I wouldn't get them in the 6th round when I have my next two picks.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2011, 06:29:15 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova

I'd like to finally speak out about my thoughts on this.  During the CB Draft, I feel like some young players, specifically Ilyasova, Batum, and Casspi were very highly praised.  I had absolutely no idea how people had such strong opinions on these players, but everybody seemed very confidently high on them.  I assumed people watched League Pass way more than I did, because I had seen them each play maybe once or twice in fairly limited minutes to not gather much of an impression on them.

After seeing them more and paying more attention to them this season (specifically Batum and Casspi), I feel like my original thoughts have been reinforced this season - they are all merely serviceable/solid role players.  Nothing more, nothing less.  I think some of us have been bullied in these drafts by some posters to thinking some of these players are more than they are.

It depends on what your expectations are.  Batum, for instance, is a guy who can max out as a less crazy Ron Artest / more athletic Shane Battier.  That's a very valuable player, I think.  It doesn't make him a superstar, but it does make him somebody worth praising.  The Blazers, Nuggets, and a lot of other actual NBA teams put a very high value on him.
Batum has all-star talent, its a matter of whether or not he realizes his potential.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #220 on: February 03, 2011, 06:39:03 PM »

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SG: Salmons
SF: ??
PF: Lee
C:  Dalembert

Collins and Miles off the bench?

Might start Miles right now.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #221 on: February 03, 2011, 07:32:57 PM »

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Very pleased with our offensive punch:

Chicago - Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Marcin Gortat, Jamal Crawford, Corey Maggette, Mike Miller
Yup

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #222 on: February 03, 2011, 07:36:50 PM »

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Very pleased with our offensive punch:

Chicago - Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Marcin Gortat, Jamal Crawford, Corey Maggette, Mike Miller

I like it. 


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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #223 on: February 03, 2011, 09:18:11 PM »

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Very pleased with our offensive punch:

Chicago - Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Marcin Gortat, Jamal Crawford, Corey Maggette, Mike Miller

I like it. 

how not.. he have boozer.

Personally i think Gortat right now is THE most overrated player in all CelticNation
but thats just my very very very very ultra important humble oppinion

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #224 on: February 03, 2011, 09:22:10 PM »

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Very pleased with our offensive punch:

Chicago - Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, Marcin Gortat, Jamal Crawford, Corey Maggette, Mike Miller

I like it.  

how not.. he have boozer.

Personally i think Gortat right now is THE most overrated player in all CelticNation
but thats just my very very very very ultra important humble oppinion



I always liked Gortat in his role in Orlando and I'm happy to see him playing so well in Phoenix, but this absolutely buying at peak price for me.  The guy's been on a ridiculously big, and unprecedented (for him), tear.
Yup