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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #195 on: February 03, 2011, 04:51:21 PM »

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2) Wall is the best passing PG Bosh has played with.  I expect him to get the best shots in his career.


I would argue that Calderon is a better passer than Wall...although Wall's ability to penetrate will certainly create more room for Bosh to work, even if the passes aren't quite as accurate.

As a rookie, he already is averaging more assists then Calderon's career high.  Once he get's past the rookie level turnovers, he will be one of the top passing PGs in the league.  

Right now no way is Wall a better passer than 26 yr old Jose Calderon. He probably will be at some point, but not right now.

I wonder: if Calderon's assist numbers were never that high, and the only real scoring option on those Raptors teams was Bosh, who's fault was it: Calderon's, or Bosh's?

Probably both, I guess.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #196 on: February 03, 2011, 04:58:06 PM »

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2) Wall is the best passing PG Bosh has played with.  I expect him to get the best shots in his career.


I would argue that Calderon is a better passer than Wall...although Wall's ability to penetrate will certainly create more room for Bosh to work, even if the passes aren't quite as accurate.

As a rookie, he already is averaging more assists then Calderon's career high.  Once he get's past the rookie level turnovers, he will be one of the top passing PGs in the league. 

Right now no way is Wall a better passer than 26 yr old Jose Calderon. He probably will be at some point, but not right now.

I wonder: if Calderon's assist numbers were never that high, and the only real scoring option on those Raptors teams was Bosh, who's fault was it: Calderon's, or Bosh's?

I think its a bit of a combo, I think because of Calderon's preferred slower pace, his team needs to be surrounded with a lot more talent than those Raps teams had on them for his assists to go up.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #197 on: February 03, 2011, 05:00:26 PM »

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2) Wall is the best passing PG Bosh has played with.  I expect him to get the best shots in his career.


I would argue that Calderon is a better passer than Wall...although Wall's ability to penetrate will certainly create more room for Bosh to work, even if the passes aren't quite as accurate.

As a rookie, he already is averaging more assists then Calderon's career high.  Once he get's past the rookie level turnovers, he will be one of the top passing PGs in the league. 

Right now no way is Wall a better passer than 26 yr old Jose Calderon. He probably will be at some point, but not right now.


Look what his passing has allowed Young to do?

Even Gilbert looked almost useful next to him. 

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #198 on: February 03, 2011, 05:00:27 PM »

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John Wall has far superior creativity in his passing compared to Jose Calderon.

Calderon is better at fundamental passing. Executing an offense and delivering timely passes to the right spot to the right player on a regular basis. Also far less mistakes.

Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker

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« Reply #199 on: February 03, 2011, 05:03:09 PM »

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Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker

Well said. 

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #200 on: February 03, 2011, 05:03:22 PM »

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John Wall has far superior creativity in his passing compared to Jose Calderon.

Calderon is better at fundamental passing. Executing an offense and delivering timely passes to the right spot to the right player on a regular basis. Also far less mistakes.

Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker


Difference of experience vs. superior talent without experience.  

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #201 on: February 03, 2011, 05:05:53 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #202 on: February 03, 2011, 05:08:47 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #203 on: February 03, 2011, 05:09:23 PM »

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Difference of experience vs. superior talent without experience.  

I think this is true. That doesn't make Wall better right now though than Calderon was then, though. They're both good players on bad teams with talented power forwards that can't be a leading man on a winner. The difference is that Wall could be a star, while Calderon was always just going to be "adequate".

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #204 on: February 03, 2011, 05:11:18 PM »

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John Wall has far superior creativity in his passing compared to Jose Calderon.

Calderon is better at fundamental passing. Executing an offense and delivering timely passes to the right spot to the right player on a regular basis. Also far less mistakes.

Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker


Difference of experience vs. superior talent without experience.  

I disagree.  I don't think Wall has the basketball IQ Calderon has.  I am sure he will get better, but Calderon is exceptionally good at running an offense and seeing the game before it happens.  I just don't see that from Wall.  

Now, Wall on the other hand is great at making the game work for him.  He can force the defense to do things much better than Calderon could ever dream.  But he does not seem to have that innate ability to see things before they happen...which is good, because if he did he would be downright unstoppable.

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« Reply #205 on: February 03, 2011, 05:14:56 PM »

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I think John Wall is a much better player than Calderon right now.

As he gets more experience the gap will only grow larger.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #206 on: February 03, 2011, 05:17:12 PM »

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John Wall has far superior creativity in his passing compared to Jose Calderon.

Calderon is better at fundamental passing. Executing an offense and delivering timely passes to the right spot to the right player on a regular basis. Also far less mistakes.

Jose Calderon = superior floor general
John Wall = superior playmaker


Difference of experience vs. superior talent without experience.  

I disagree.  I don't think Wall has the basketball IQ Calderon has.  I am sure he will get better, but Calderon is exceptionally good at running an offense and seeing the game before it happens.  I just don't see that from Wall.  

Now, Wall on the other hand is great at making the game work for him.  He can force the defense to do things much better than Calderon could ever dream.  But he does not seem to have that innate ability to see things before they happen...which is good, because if he did he would be downright unstoppable.

This to me is the other extreme. Jose Calderon, when he became someone people talked about, was already 25 or 26 years old, a 3 yr NBA vet, and 1 year removed from taking Tau Ceramica to a Euroleague 2nd place finish as a starting point, after playing 6 more previous years as a PG in the Euroleague.

John Wall had 1 year in a substantially less competitive league, and 4 years in a way less competitive league before this season, and he's still going nuts. Sure, he makes dumb decisions with the ball, but to say he'll never get the cerebral basketball prowess of like a Jose Calderon is really premature. We have no idea who John Wall will be, all we know is that he'll be superfast.

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #207 on: February 03, 2011, 05:18:31 PM »

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I think John Wall is a much better player than Calderon right now.

As he gets more experience the gap will only grow larger.
I agree with this. Especially since Calderon can't guard a chair without giving up 2 points

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #208 on: February 03, 2011, 05:19:27 PM »

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I think John Wall is a much better player than Calderon right now.

As he gets more experience the gap will only grow larger.
I agree with this. Especially since Calderon can't guard a chair without giving up 2 points

Yeah Calderon today doesn't really compare to Wall.

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #209 on: February 03, 2011, 05:26:40 PM »

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Updated Pick 2 Blazers:

PG: Mo(The cancer) Williams
SG: Wesley(Will KC ever get me in one of these drafts) Matthews
SF: Tayshaun(The Fresh)Prince
PF: LaMarcus(Why did my mom have to ruin a perfectly good name like Marcus by putting La in front of it) Aldridge
C: Kendrick(You don't want to meet me in a dark alley) Perkins

Bench: Ersan(IP convinced me how good he was in the CB Draft) Ilyasova