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Quote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 06:21:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 05:18:17 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 04:48:42 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 03:37:01 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.That's simply not the case. DWill is taking the most shots on this year's Jazz team and has taken about 160 more ft attempts than Al Jefferson. He took the most shots on the Jazz last season, a few hundred more than Carlos Boozer, and he took the most shots on the Jazz two seasons ago.In the NBA, and I suspect in college, DWill has NEVER played the pg role the way Rondo has.MikeHas Williams ever played with a perimeter scorer like Paul Pierce? How about a clutch money outside shooter like Ray Allen? If Rondo was in Utah under Sloan with the same roster he would more then likely be the leading attempt player on that team as well and if Williams was in Boston with the same system and supporting cast that Rondo has, he would be taking far fewer shots.Uh, Williams has been playing with low-post scorers in Boozer and Jefferson who are far better in the post than anyone Rondo has ever played with. He's also had guys like AK47, Kyle Korver, Wesley Matthews, Okur and let's not forget Milsap, who came out of nowhere to play at near all-star level. The Jazz have had plenty of talent for a pass-first PG to work with.But DWill has ALWAYS been a scoring PG. He's taken more shots and more free throw attempts than any other Jazz player since his second year in the league and there's ZERO reason to believe he can play at a high level without taking a bunch of shots.MikeDeron Williams isn't a high usage player and his passing is excellent. He's taken 13.3 shots a game for his career with 4.6 FTA per game. That's not all that many.He also doesn't ball hog nearly as much as CP3. I get that he takes the most shots on his team, but everyone on the Jazz gets their touches.
Quote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 05:18:17 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 04:48:42 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 03:37:01 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.That's simply not the case. DWill is taking the most shots on this year's Jazz team and has taken about 160 more ft attempts than Al Jefferson. He took the most shots on the Jazz last season, a few hundred more than Carlos Boozer, and he took the most shots on the Jazz two seasons ago.In the NBA, and I suspect in college, DWill has NEVER played the pg role the way Rondo has.MikeHas Williams ever played with a perimeter scorer like Paul Pierce? How about a clutch money outside shooter like Ray Allen? If Rondo was in Utah under Sloan with the same roster he would more then likely be the leading attempt player on that team as well and if Williams was in Boston with the same system and supporting cast that Rondo has, he would be taking far fewer shots.Uh, Williams has been playing with low-post scorers in Boozer and Jefferson who are far better in the post than anyone Rondo has ever played with. He's also had guys like AK47, Kyle Korver, Wesley Matthews, Okur and let's not forget Milsap, who came out of nowhere to play at near all-star level. The Jazz have had plenty of talent for a pass-first PG to work with.But DWill has ALWAYS been a scoring PG. He's taken more shots and more free throw attempts than any other Jazz player since his second year in the league and there's ZERO reason to believe he can play at a high level without taking a bunch of shots.Mike
Quote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 04:48:42 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 03:37:01 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.That's simply not the case. DWill is taking the most shots on this year's Jazz team and has taken about 160 more ft attempts than Al Jefferson. He took the most shots on the Jazz last season, a few hundred more than Carlos Boozer, and he took the most shots on the Jazz two seasons ago.In the NBA, and I suspect in college, DWill has NEVER played the pg role the way Rondo has.MikeHas Williams ever played with a perimeter scorer like Paul Pierce? How about a clutch money outside shooter like Ray Allen? If Rondo was in Utah under Sloan with the same roster he would more then likely be the leading attempt player on that team as well and if Williams was in Boston with the same system and supporting cast that Rondo has, he would be taking far fewer shots.
Quote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 03:37:01 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.That's simply not the case. DWill is taking the most shots on this year's Jazz team and has taken about 160 more ft attempts than Al Jefferson. He took the most shots on the Jazz last season, a few hundred more than Carlos Boozer, and he took the most shots on the Jazz two seasons ago.In the NBA, and I suspect in college, DWill has NEVER played the pg role the way Rondo has.Mike
Quote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.
DWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.Mike
You're leaving out 3 pters. Add them in and DWill is taking 16.5 shots a game, while Rondo takes only 9.6 for their careers. And it's 2.8 ft attempts a game for Rondo vs. 4.6 for DWill. An extra 7 shots and 2 ft attempts a game is a HUUUUUGE difference.Mike
Quote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 07:07:17 PMYou're leaving out 3 pters. Add them in and DWill is taking 16.5 shots a game, while Rondo takes only 9.6 for their careers. And it's 2.8 ft attempts a game for Rondo vs. 4.6 for DWill. An extra 7 shots and 2 ft attempts a game is a HUUUUUGE difference.MikeIf you have a TS% of .602...tied 29th in the league, you should be shooting. Shots aren't "selfish" if you make them at a high clip.
As for Chris Paul (mentioned a few posts ago) he has a higher TS% than Williams, higher PER, and lower usage rate...hard to call him a ball hog, he's phenomenal.
Quote from: Fan from VT on January 27, 2011, 07:12:44 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 07:07:17 PMYou're leaving out 3 pters. Add them in and DWill is taking 16.5 shots a game, while Rondo takes only 9.6 for their careers. And it's 2.8 ft attempts a game for Rondo vs. 4.6 for DWill. An extra 7 shots and 2 ft attempts a game is a HUUUUUGE difference.MikeIf you have a TS% of .602...tied 29th in the league, you should be shooting. Shots aren't "selfish" if you make them at a high clip.Why are there quotes around the world "selfish"? Have I called DWill selfish or criticized him for shooting the ball? No. My point is that the Celtic offense would, by necessity, be a completely different animal with DWill running the point instead of Rondo.Mike
Quote from: Fafnir on January 27, 2011, 06:57:29 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 06:21:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 05:18:17 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 04:48:42 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 03:37:01 PMQuote from: MBunge on January 27, 2011, 02:54:14 PMDWill might be a better rebuilding piece than Rondo, though I'm not sure about that. But when it comes to who's the best PG for this Celtic team to win a title, it's no contest.Rondo averages 10 shots about 2 ft attempts a game. DWill averages over 15 shots and 7 ft attempts a game. DWill would completely change the offensive chemistry of the team and I've seen nothing out of him that says he could play at the same high level when he's not allowed to score a lot.MikeThat is much more a function of their respective supporting casts then anything else.That's simply not the case. DWill is taking the most shots on this year's Jazz team and has taken about 160 more ft attempts than Al Jefferson. He took the most shots on the Jazz last season, a few hundred more than Carlos Boozer, and he took the most shots on the Jazz two seasons ago.In the NBA, and I suspect in college, DWill has NEVER played the pg role the way Rondo has.MikeHas Williams ever played with a perimeter scorer like Paul Pierce? How about a clutch money outside shooter like Ray Allen? If Rondo was in Utah under Sloan with the same roster he would more then likely be the leading attempt player on that team as well and if Williams was in Boston with the same system and supporting cast that Rondo has, he would be taking far fewer shots.Uh, Williams has been playing with low-post scorers in Boozer and Jefferson who are far better in the post than anyone Rondo has ever played with. He's also had guys like AK47, Kyle Korver, Wesley Matthews, Okur and let's not forget Milsap, who came out of nowhere to play at near all-star level. The Jazz have had plenty of talent for a pass-first PG to work with.But DWill has ALWAYS been a scoring PG. He's taken more shots and more free throw attempts than any other Jazz player since his second year in the league and there's ZERO reason to believe he can play at a high level without taking a bunch of shots.MikeDeron Williams isn't a high usage player and his passing is excellent. He's taken 13.3 shots a game for his career with 4.6 FTA per game. That's not all that many.He also doesn't ball hog nearly as much as CP3. I get that he takes the most shots on his team, but everyone on the Jazz gets their touches.You're leaving out 3 pters. Add them in and DWill is taking 16.5 shots a game, while Rondo takes only 9.6 for their careers. And it's 2.8 ft attempts a game for Rondo vs. 4.6 for DWill. An extra 7 shots and 2 ft attempts a game is a HUUUUUGE difference.Mike
Quote from: Jesus Shuttlesworth #20 on January 27, 2011, 09:39:28 AMHe'll stay in Utah because they can offer the most money, mystery solved.Like Lebron, Bosh, Amare, Boozer, and possibly Carmelo?
He'll stay in Utah because they can offer the most money, mystery solved.
Quote from: Greenbean on January 27, 2011, 12:17:04 PMQuote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 11:49:21 AMQuote from: radiohead on January 27, 2011, 11:44:26 AMRondo is the starting PG of the second best team (record wise)in the NBA right now. He has won a championship and has successfully been able to keep four future hall of fame players happy with his play making. Deron may be a better individual player, but Rondo has already earned the respect of Shaq and the Big 3, which is no easy feat. Trading him now would be a very reckless move. This current Celtic team is on a mission and we shouldn't even be talking of trades which could disrupt the team's chemistry.I don't think we can beat the Lakers as presently constructed unless the Lakers have injuries, which is why I would make moves.I think you are alone there. If we are healthy, we are BUILT to beat the Lakers.As presently constructed & healthy, no one is beating this Celtics team in a 7 game series. No one. They got that look this year. They're locked in. Injuries are the only thing that would be their undoing. I say that with the utmost confidence.
Quote from: Moranis on January 27, 2011, 11:49:21 AMQuote from: radiohead on January 27, 2011, 11:44:26 AMRondo is the starting PG of the second best team (record wise)in the NBA right now. He has won a championship and has successfully been able to keep four future hall of fame players happy with his play making. Deron may be a better individual player, but Rondo has already earned the respect of Shaq and the Big 3, which is no easy feat. Trading him now would be a very reckless move. This current Celtic team is on a mission and we shouldn't even be talking of trades which could disrupt the team's chemistry.I don't think we can beat the Lakers as presently constructed unless the Lakers have injuries, which is why I would make moves.I think you are alone there. If we are healthy, we are BUILT to beat the Lakers.
Quote from: radiohead on January 27, 2011, 11:44:26 AMRondo is the starting PG of the second best team (record wise)in the NBA right now. He has won a championship and has successfully been able to keep four future hall of fame players happy with his play making. Deron may be a better individual player, but Rondo has already earned the respect of Shaq and the Big 3, which is no easy feat. Trading him now would be a very reckless move. This current Celtic team is on a mission and we shouldn't even be talking of trades which could disrupt the team's chemistry.I don't think we can beat the Lakers as presently constructed unless the Lakers have injuries, which is why I would make moves.
Rondo is the starting PG of the second best team (record wise)in the NBA right now. He has won a championship and has successfully been able to keep four future hall of fame players happy with his play making. Deron may be a better individual player, but Rondo has already earned the respect of Shaq and the Big 3, which is no easy feat. Trading him now would be a very reckless move. This current Celtic team is on a mission and we shouldn't even be talking of trades which could disrupt the team's chemistry.