Why I became embarrassed to be a Celtic fan for 15 seconds.

[celtics2]

seen and heard lots of moments of silence instances where it would be requested. But none for 60 seconds. It's not the amount of time but the respect alone for an individual for usually less than 30 seconds. The requester usually thanks everyone after a short period of time and things move on. Asking for more etiquette from a charged crowd may be asking too much from this type forum these days.

[barefacedmonk]

We don't need a day to celebrate their heritage. They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.  Now you can say that I'm a horrible person for. saying such a thing, but its the truth. Tell me what other nation has been as benevolent as this one has to the people it took land from by force?  

Are you freaking serious?? US has done a terrible job when it comes to the aboriginals and their rights/well being etc. The only other country that has a worse record is Australia. This had been even acknowledged by the UN.

...and the answer to your question is Canada...wayyyyy more benevolent that America's combined effort/record.

[wiley]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.

If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

So, if someone is doing something illegal/immoral, it's okay that you partake in it (however "small" your role may be) because you are not at fault? You are not the one selling slaves, you're only the one buying them.

How would you feel if the US had a national holiday honoring the Native Tribes of America? The ones that were there long ago before Columbus. Would you be okay with that? Would you honor them? I want to know.

Where did I condone slavery or give anyone who participated in the trade a pass? Nice judgment on your part.


We don't need a day to celebrate their heritage. They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.  Now you can say that I'm a horrible person for. saying such a thing, but its the truth. Tell me what other nation has been as benevolent as this one has to the people it took land from by force? 
I get real tired of hearing what a terrible country we were and how this nation was nothing but pure evil in its earlier days(I'm sure some of you think it still is evil), but nothing could be further from the truth.

 This country worked at correcting its mistakes along the way, while doing a lot of good in the process.

I guess if there was a holiday recognizing Indian heritage I would have to move to another country. I'd be so offended that the country would set aside a day to honor people whom I share blood with. I'd be so unraveled at the thought of those people(like my grandmother) getting their own day.

You get upset with his putting words in your mouth/judging you, then you lump him in with the "this is a terrible country" group.  And what did you expect after saying "...but I'm sure in your P.C. world this never happened".   Is it really necessary to go into a spiel about evil african tribes selling off members every time we discuss slavery as a part of U.S. history?  That's more a part of African history than ours.  Did he say that evil happened here and only here?  Or did you put words in his mouth and judge him as less intelligent (historically aware) as yourself?

You say the country worked at correcting its mistakes and did a lot of good in the process.  Who did that work?  Can't a lot of it be attributed to the hand wringing PC crowd?  I'm sure that was the feeling of many as the "correcting" took place.

[ACF]

seen and heard lots of moments of silence instances where it would be requested. But none for 60 seconds. It's not the amount of time but the respect alone for an individual for usually less than 30 seconds. The requester usually thanks everyone after a short period of time and things move on. Asking for more etiquette from a charged crowd may be asking too much from this type forum these days.

60 seconds of your life. Is that so bad?

[ACF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HbF3EAt3ck&ob=av2el

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[ACF]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.

If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

So, if someone is doing something illegal/immoral, it's okay that you partake in it (however "small" your role may be) because you are not at fault? You are not the one selling slaves, you're only the one buying them.

How would you feel if the US had a national holiday honoring the Native Tribes of America? The ones that were there long ago before Columbus. Would you be okay with that? Would you honor them? I want to know.

Where did I condone slavery or give anyone who participated in the trade a pass? Nice judgment on your part.


We don't need a day to celebrate their heritage. They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.  Now you can say that I'm a horrible person for. saying such a thing, but its the truth. Tell me what other nation has been as benevolent as this one has to the people it took land from by force?  
I get real tired of hearing what a terrible country we were and how this nation was nothing but pure evil in its earlier days(I'm sure some of you think it still is evil), but nothing could be further from the truth.

 This country worked at correcting its mistakes along the way, while doing a lot of good in the process.

I guess if there was a holiday recognizing Indian heritage I would have to move to another country. I'd be so offended that the country would set aside a day to honor people whom I share blood with. I'd be so unraveled at the thought of those people(like my grandmother) getting their own day.

You get upset with his putting words in your mouth/judging you, then you lump him in with the "this is a terrible country" group.  And what did you expect after saying "...but I'm sure in your P.C. world this never happened".   Is it really necessary to go into a spiel about evil african tribes selling off members every time we discuss slavery as a part of U.S. history?  That's more a part of African history than ours.  Did he say that evil happened here and only here?  Or did you put words in his mouth and judge him as less intelligent (historically aware) as yourself?

You say the country worked at correcting its mistakes and did a lot of good in the process.  Who did that work?  Can't a lot of it be attributed to the hand wringing PC crowd?  I'm sure that was the feeling of many as the "correcting" took place.

TP, wiley. You hit upon some stuff that is very dear to my heart.

[through the door]

I find it a bit disheartening how many people here have blithely played the incident at the game as no big deal.  I suppose in the grand scheme it is nothing more than a brief, disrespectfully annoyance, but a few people here pointed out, this is becoming a norm in the society.  I just wonder if it was any of those individuals' "sacred cows" that someone else  showed disrespect to how they might react.  In all, I'm glad to see so many people weighing in on this subject because it is a seemingly appropriate way to pay tribute to the civil discourse MLK was eager for us all to engage in.

[action781]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.
The way Indians were treated was not a great moment in this countries history. But we've more than made up for that.
Also,If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners. Otherwise your a hypocrite.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

I had to read this a few times just for it to make some sense, but I still don't see how I proved his point.  I'm sorry, why would I "spew venom" about african tribes who sold captives?  There is no holiday in the US named in honor of them.  There is a holiday named in honor of Christopher Columbus and I don't find him a man being worthy of honoring because of the heinous acts that he and his men committed when they landed here (in the Caribbean).  That's what my point was.

[celtics2]

seen and heard lots of moments of silence instances where it would be requested. But none for 60 seconds. It's not the amount of time but the respect alone for an individual for usually less than 30 seconds. The requester usually thanks everyone after a short period of time and things move on. Asking for more etiquette from a charged crowd may be asking too much from this type forum these days.

60 seconds of your life. Is that so bad?

Ok I'm for it. Now what happens that a mark is set. 120 secs, 240? C'mon mourning is practiced following the fall of a Giant or family member. That was a long time ago. Some want long remembrances, majority want it short and move on. That's why they are far less than 60 seconds. Somebody always wants to push the envelope. The moron that yelled out neither knew if it was too long or short! Oblivious. Each of us can take a minute per day if we want but what isn't needed is the asking of others.

[barefacedmonk]

They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.

Don't they pay the federal income tax? Could you also please elaborate on these "countless" niceties that you talk about? I don't expect many concessions for them from a capitalist country.

[Rondo9dunx]

I'm sorry, but anyone who expects 20000 people who are all in one room to be quiet for a minute is just plain ignorant.



The guy who started this thread should be happy that out of 20000 people there was only 1 yahoo.

Must be a glass half empty kind of guy

This holier than thou attitude some of you are taking is really ridiculous.

For the record i'd never interrupt a moment of silence, for any reason. But alot of you are coming off like you think you're better than some of the other posters here and its really pathetic.

[Rondo9dunx]

And stop all this crap about how "people are becoming worse"

The world we live in is 1000 times more tolerant than it was 50-60 years ago.

That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

Bunch of crabby old guys that think thier generation was the best, give me a break! I mean jeez some of the stuff that comes out your you old people's mouths is ridiculous.

I guarantee you take a room full of 60-70 year old guys and a room full of 15-25 year old kids and the old guys are going to be way more racist and ignorant than the kids...

[Rondo9dunx]

Look at the blaxploitation movies of the 60s and 70s. You would never see that kind of blatant racism on tv today...

[Eja117]

Look at the blaxploitation movies of the 60s and 70s. You would never see that kind of blatant racism on tv today...

I don't know. Quinton Tarrantino used the n word like 158 times in Pulp Fiction.....it kinda ticked off Spike Lee

[Finkelskyhook]

Look at the blaxploitation movies of the 60s and 70s. You would never see that kind of blatant racism on tv today...

I don't know. Quinton Tarrantino used the n word like 158 times in Pulp Fiction.....it kinda ticked off Spike Lee

It probably ticked off a racist like spike lee because they didn't use it enough.