Why I became embarrassed to be a Celtic fan for 15 seconds.

[Roy H.]

You have got to be kidding.  Expecting silence for 60 seconds is just plain ridiculous.  And waiting 60 seconds is unwarranted as well. 

Yeah, having to stay quiet for 60 seconds to honor the memory of somebody who positively changed the lives of tens of millions of Americans is way out of proportion.  What should we put the estimate on MLK's contribution as?  8, maybe 9 seconds?  That would be more fitting.  To be charitable, though, let's round it up to 10, since he was murdered while trying to improve the world.  But definitely agreed, it's unwarranted to have any more than 10 seconds of silence for MLK.

[Rondo9dunx]

You have got to be kidding.  Expecting silence for 60 seconds is just plain ridiculous.  And waiting 60 seconds is unwarranted as well. 

Yeah, having to stay quiet for 60 seconds to honor the memory of somebody who positively changed the lives of tens of millions of Americans is way out of proportion.  What should we put the estimate on MLK's contribution as?  8, maybe 9 seconds?  That would be more fitting.  To be charitable, though, let's round it up to 10, since he was murdered while trying to improve the world.  But definitely agreed, it's unwarranted to have any more than 10 seconds of silence for MLK.

I usually agree with you Roy, but i think the poster you quoted purposely left out MLK's name in his post to generalize moments of silence.

I doesnt matter if its MLK or some famous white guy. 60 is just a bit much, 20-30 seconds is fine, but asking 20,000 people to sit there for 60 seconds without doing or saying anything is kind of unrealistic. These people are all ridiculously pumped up and excited for a basketball game, some of them are drunk, some of them are most likely on something else... It's just a bit much

I dont think taking a 30 second moment of silence is any less respectful than a 60 second one.

It doesnt really accomplish anything anyways....

We have a national holiday for the man, kids all over this country are taught about what he did in school. I think we're doing a good job of respecting his legacy.

[tenn_smoothie]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

[Roy H.]

You have got to be kidding.  Expecting silence for 60 seconds is just plain ridiculous.  And waiting 60 seconds is unwarranted as well.  

Yeah, having to stay quiet for 60 seconds to honor the memory of somebody who positively changed the lives of tens of millions of Americans is way out of proportion.  What should we put the estimate on MLK's contribution as?  8, maybe 9 seconds?  That would be more fitting.  To be charitable, though, let's round it up to 10, since he was murdered while trying to improve the world.  But definitely agreed, it's unwarranted to have any more than 10 seconds of silence for MLK.

I usually agree with you Roy, but i think the poster you quoted purposely left out MLK's name in his post to generalize moments of silence.

I doesnt matter if its MLK or some famous white guy. 60 is just a bit much, 20-30 seconds is fine, but asking 20,000 people to sit there for 60 seconds without doing or saying anything is kind of unrealistic. These people are all ridiculously pumped up and excited for a basketball game, some of them are drunk, some of them are most likely on something else... It's just a bit much

I dont think taking a 30 second moment of silence is any less respectful than a 60 second one.

It doesnt really accomplish anything anyways....

We have a national holiday for the man, kids all over this country are taught about what he did in school. I think we're doing a good job of respecting his legacy.

Agree to disagree.  I don't think it's terribly difficult to keep my mouth shut for 60 seconds.  To say that a minute of silence for an American hero is "unwarranted" is a perspective that I firmly disagree with.

One minute is the standard for a moment of silence in our country, with two minutes of silence being observed on some occasions (i.e., Veteran's Day).  To me, it's sad that our time is so important and valuable that we can't give 1 or 2 minutes of it to remember those who have made this country great.

[Edgar]

specially when at that time nobody was doing anything important and players are not going to move because you scream them to do it.

[BballTim]

You have got to be kidding.  Expecting silence for 60 seconds is just plain ridiculous.  And waiting 60 seconds is unwarranted as well. 

Yeah, having to stay quiet for 60 seconds to honor the memory of somebody who positively changed the lives of tens of millions of Americans is way out of proportion.  What should we put the estimate on MLK's contribution as?  8, maybe 9 seconds?  That would be more fitting.  To be charitable, though, let's round it up to 10, since he was murdered while trying to improve the world.  But definitely agreed, it's unwarranted to have any more than 10 seconds of silence for MLK.

  It's a whole other can of worms, but 8 seconds would be about 8 seconds more that a number of deserving people get.

[ACF]

You have got to be kidding.  Expecting silence for 60 seconds is just plain ridiculous.  And waiting 60 seconds is unwarranted as well. 

Yeah, having to stay quiet for 60 seconds to honor the memory of somebody who positively changed the lives of tens of millions of Americans is way out of proportion.  What should we put the estimate on MLK's contribution as?  8, maybe 9 seconds?  That would be more fitting.  To be charitable, though, let's round it up to 10, since he was murdered while trying to improve the world.  But definitely agreed, it's unwarranted to have any more than 10 seconds of silence for MLK.

I know someone who'd love that post right there, Roy. Unfortunately, he is not here (at CB) anymore. I'll pass it on to him. Have a Tommy Point.

"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity." ---MLK

[Donoghus]

It's 60 seconds of your life that you have to be quiet for.  Is that really too much to ask for?  

Once a year the country recognizes an individual who played a pretty significant role in developing this nation.  Since its a federal holiday, many venues ask for a moment of silence in length of one minute.  That's really not asking too much.  Its a respect thing.  

If you can't take a whole minute of your life to be respecful, you're just being ignorant & self-centered, IMO.  Suck it up for 60 seconds.  

[action781]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

[angryguy77]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.
The way Indians were treated was not a great moment in this countries history. But we've more than made up for that.
Also,If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners. Otherwise your a hypocrite.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

[BballTim]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

  I don't think Columbus killed and enslaved millions of natives.

[ACF]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.

If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

So, if someone is doing something illegal/immoral, it's okay that you partake in it (however "small" your role may be) because you are not at fault? You are not the one selling slaves, you're only the one buying them.

How would you feel if the US had a national holiday honoring the Native Tribes of America? The ones that were there long ago before Columbus. Would you be okay with that? Would you honor them? I want to know.

[angryguy77]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.

If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

So, if someone is doing something illegal/immoral, it's okay that you partake in it (however "small" your role may be) because you are not at fault? You are not the one selling slaves, you're only the one buying them.

How would you feel if the US had a national holiday honoring the Native Tribes of America? The ones that were there long ago before Columbus. Would you be okay with that? Would you honor them? I want to know.

Where did I condone slavery or give anyone who participated in the trade a pass? Nice judgment on your part.


We don't need a day to celebrate their heritage. They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.  Now you can say that I'm a horrible person for. saying such a thing, but its the truth. Tell me what other nation has been as benevolent as this one has to the people it took land from by force? 
I get real tired of hearing what a terrible country we were and how this nation was nothing but pure evil in its earlier days(I'm sure some of you think it still is evil), but nothing could be further from the truth.

 This country worked at correcting its mistakes along the way, while doing a lot of good in the process.

I guess if there was a holiday recognizing Indian heritage I would have to move to another country. I'd be so offended that the country would set aside a day to honor people whom I share blood with. I'd be so unraveled at the thought of those people(like my grandmother) getting their own day.

[Celtics18]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

I don't think the reason we take the day off work to celebrate Dr. King is "for fear of being called a racist if we do not."  I think it's more to honor a man who has had one of the most positive and significant influences on our country's history.

Nobody should feel like they have to fear being called a racist if they don't act like one.

[ACF]

good lord - give it a break.

for starters, we have wayyyyyy over-emphasized martin luther king's holiday in this country - the whole nation is required to take a day off from work for fear of being called racist if we do not.

in contrast, we then virturally ignore the holidays that are in place for the men who actually founded and built america, like our first presidents, like christopher columbus, like VE day, on and on.

yes, maybe it would have been more appropriate to have stayed quiet during that moment of silence before the orlando game - but sometimes i think what you see in this country is a backlash against the mentality that you express - that mentality being a group of people who have created the greatest nation in history falling all over themselves to apologize for doing so !!

Right, let's instead be more honoring of the holiday dedicated to the man who traveled across the Atlantic and enslaved and killed millions of natives living here.

Naming a holiday after Christopher Columbus is like naming a town after Lord Amherst.

You just proved his point.

If you want to discount the  men who built this country because of slavery, then you better spew some venom about the african tribes who sold captives to the slave owners.

But I'm sure in your PC world that never happened....

So, if someone is doing something illegal/immoral, it's okay that you partake in it (however "small" your role may be) because you are not at fault? You are not the one selling slaves, you're only the one buying them.

How would you feel if the US had a national holiday honoring the Native Tribes of America? The ones that were there long ago before Columbus. Would you be okay with that? Would you honor them? I want to know.

Where did I condone slavery or give anyone who participated in the trade a pass? Nice judgment on your part.


We don't need a day to celebrate their heritage. They have 365 days a year of tax free income and countless other niceties.  Now you can say that I'm a horrible person for. saying such a thing, but its the truth. Tell me what other nation has been as benevolent as this one has to the people it took land from by force? 
I get real tired of hearing what a terrible country we were and how this nation was nothing but pure evil in its earlier days(I'm sure some of you think it still is evil), but nothing could be further from the truth.

 This country worked at correcting its mistakes along the way, while doing a lot of good in the process.

I guess if there was a holiday recognizing Indian heritage I would have to move to another country. I'd be so offended that the country would set aside a day to honor people whom I share blood with. I'd be so unraveled at the thought of those people(like my grandmother) getting their own day.

Wow. That's all I can say, really.