I'm Done With the NBA

[mmbaby]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

To be fair, you could say the same thing about any team's message board.

Also, (and this is not directed at any one person) there seem to be some misinterpretation of posts and other poster's belief system as it pertains to the Celtics. I say this in response to a few of the previous posts I've just read.  my impression is that most folks posting here are simply angry at that call, which was at its very best a questionable call (regardless of whether it was correct or not). I don't really see the harm in that or why it should be looked down upon as a character fault. It hurts when it a call goes against your team, and the officials do make mistakes. That said, I really don't think I've read much here about the refs "causing" the loss, and most people seem to be saying the refs were only one factor among a multitude of factors that lead to the Celtics loss in that game. Most people seem to appropriately be putting the onus on the players first, but that doesn't mean they should have to ignore the other things as well. In other words, calls one way or the other were not being used as an excuse in my opinion. The calls have been used as a way of trying to conceptualize the various factors that went into losing the game. I think it is quite normal for some of the factors to have a greater emotional salience to them than others, so maybe it is the misperception of one's affect that is leading to the misinterpretation of their beliefs and biases.
 
To me, it feels like the desire of some to be seen as objective leads them to a contrarian style or bias, which invariably comes off in an elitist tone. Of course, this need to be seen as objective can color your impressions and views as much as being a Cs fan or listening to Tommy.  

I really like your post here. TP. Hope to see more.

[freshinthehouse]

I am just tired of how the NBA is officiated.  Sure the talent is better in an NBA game than in an NCAA game, but the officiating is far superior in an NCAA game.  Travels are called, fouls don't magically occur because of your last name, and there's no such thing as continuation.  Continuation is an absolute load of crap.  When the whistle blows, if he's in the act of shooting, it's a shooting foul, if not, then it should not be a shooting foul.  Somebody can reach across the body, slap a player, the guy can take two more steps and shoot and he gets to go to the line? That's bogus, the foul occurred on the floor.  I'll watch the Celtics, but I just can't watch any other NBA games.  It's all slow, all isolation.  Even if you watch a college game, where only 60 or so points are scored, you still see much more ball movement from the entire team then in an NBA game.

I can see this.  But one thing that bugs me about how college games are called is that they give out way too many offensive charging calls.  it's go to the point where defensive players fling themselves in front of driving players because they know they'll get the charge call. 

And not that it has anything to do with college ball is that it is way too reliant on the 3 point shot.  I think the nba has become too perimeter oriented, and the college game is even worth. 

Overall I'm a bigger fan of the NBA, but a good college game is great as well.  I don't follow the regular season too much, but i am looking forward to the start of the season.

[guava_wrench]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

To be fair, you could say the same thing about any team's message board.

Also, (and this is not directed at any one person) there seem to be some misinterpretation of posts and other poster's belief system as it pertains to the Celtics. I say this in response to a few of the previous posts I've just read.  my impression is that most folks posting here are simply angry at that call, which was at its very best a questionable call (regardless of whether it was correct or not). I don't really see the harm in that or why it should be looked down upon as a character fault. It hurts when it a call goes against your team, and the officials do make mistakes. That said, I really don't think I've read much here about the refs "causing" the loss, and most people seem to be saying the refs were only one factor among a multitude of factors that lead to the Celtics loss in that game. Most people seem to appropriately be putting the onus on the players first, but that doesn't mean they should have to ignore the other things as well. In other words, calls one way or the other were not being used as an excuse in my opinion. The calls have been used as a way of trying to conceptualize the various factors that went into losing the game. I think it is quite normal for some of the factors to have a greater emotional salience to them than others, so maybe it is the misperception of one's affect that is leading to the misinterpretation of their beliefs and biases.
 
To me, it feels like the desire of some to be seen as objective leads them to a contrarian style or bias, which invariably comes off in an elitist tone. Of course, this need to be seen as objective can color your impressions and views as much as being a Cs fan or listening to Tommy.  

"Elitist" seems like such a bizarre term to use for this, though I get what you are trying to say.

But people are not just upset about the call as one of many factors. Look at the name of the thread!

Regarding the effect of a bad call on the outcome, going in to a game, it is assumed there will be bad calls. You have to play well enough to not allow those to be the difference. There is little that can be done about this problem due to human limitations.

Bad calls on this and many other boards are frequently made into 'the' excuse by many fans (though the bad calls are sometimes actually good, like the 3 pt shot likely was). Sure, there are many who fit the description you give. There are also those who believe that bad calls never decide outcomes (a view which I think is indefensible). Then there is also that substantial group that focuses on the refs as the main reason for a loss. This is often stated explicitly in posts, so there is no need for us to try to interpret.

[Bankshot]

I'm proud of myself.  So far, I haven't watched one NBA game besides the Celtics and it hasn't bothered me one bit.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, so long as I can watch my Celtics.

[MBz]

I am just tired of how the NBA is officiated.  Sure the talent is better in an NBA game than in an NCAA game, but the officiating is far superior in an NCAA game.  Travels are called, fouls don't magically occur because of your last name, and there's no such thing as continuation.  Continuation is an absolute load of crap.  When the whistle blows, if he's in the act of shooting, it's a shooting foul, if not, then it should not be a shooting foul.  Somebody can reach across the body, slap a player, the guy can take two more steps and shoot and he gets to go to the line? That's bogus, the foul occurred on the floor.  I'll watch the Celtics, but I just can't watch any other NBA games.  It's all slow, all isolation.  Even if you watch a college game, where only 60 or so points are scored, you still see much more ball movement from the entire team then in an NBA game.

I can see this.  But one thing that bugs me about how college games are called is that they give out way too many offensive charging calls.  it's go to the point where defensive players fling themselves in front of driving players because they know they'll get the charge call. 

And not that it has anything to do with college ball is that it is way too reliant on the 3 point shot.  I think the nba has become too perimeter oriented, and the college game is even worth. 

Overall I'm a bigger fan of the NBA, but a good college game is great as well.  I don't follow the regular season too much, but i am looking forward to the start of the season.

Right they do definitely need to add the semi circle in the NCAA game, but the rule changes they made last year was a start to prevent teams from taking as many cheap charges.  I also do think the NCAA should move the 3 pt line back another foot as well.  Though even with those 2 things, I'd much rather sit down and watch a Georgetown game and watch them run the princeton offense than any thing done in an NBA game. 

[nba is the worst]

I'm proud of myself.  So far, I haven't watched one NBA game besides the Celtics and it hasn't bothered me one bit.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, so long as I can watch my Celtics.

I'm curious - now that the game is in the more distant past, (and possibly after review of the pertinent Youtube showing the shot clock from the other thread on Parker's three) - do you still think that the shot shouldn't have counted?

[Jon Niednagel]

"Elitist" (noun): One who despises people or things regarded as inferior, especially because of social or intellectual pretension.

I'm not sure what is so bizarre about the term in the context of what I wrote. And let me be clear that I'm NOT calling anyone an elitist here; I just feel there are occasional overtones of such in the way some posts have been written.

In reading the posts in this thread and other threads after the game, the impression I had was that people were mad about some calls, but were mad at other things as well. I'm sure some may only blame the refs, but making blanket statements about people doing this seems like a bit of over characterization.  

[Andy Jick]

"Elitist" (noun): One who despises people or things regarded as inferior, especially because of social or intellectual pretension.

I'm not sure what is so bizarre about the term in the context of what I wrote. And let me be clear that I'm NOT calling anyone an elitist here; I just feel there are occasional overtones of such in the way some posts have been written.

In reading the posts in this thread and other threads after the game, the impression I had was that people were mad about some calls, but were mad at other things as well. I'm sure some may only blame the refs, but making blanket statements about people doing this seems like a bit of over characterization.  

Posts like this is why you are indeed the Brain Doctor...

[Bankshot]

I'm proud of myself.  So far, I haven't watched one NBA game besides the Celtics and it hasn't bothered me one bit.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, so long as I can watch my Celtics.

I'm curious - now that the game is in the more distant past, (and possibly after review of the pertinent Youtube showing the shot clock from the other thread on Parker's three) - do you still think that the shot shouldn't have counted?

No I don't think it should have counted, but given that they were not able to look at when the clock started, they had to count it.  But that is not the only reason I am fed up with the NBA, that's just a tiny fraction.  I've been leaning towards this for some time, but finally think that Stern is going to keep ignoring the ref problem instead of fix it and keep going after players for some things that might be considered petty compared to the real problems facing the NBA. Giving the refs more power rather than fix the problems? Yeah, right!

[MBz]

I do agree that the Refs are a huge problem in the NBA, but giving them more power may be beneficial.  This league is full of prima donnas, maybe by making it easier to get a technical foul these players will shut their mouths and just play.  That's another reason I prefer the NCAA game, very rarely do you see a guy complain with a referee.  Though I do think the game is called incredibly unfair.  With the new technical foul rules, LeBron, Kobe, Wade, etc are going to be able to get away with everything while your typical rotation guy is going to get T'ed up.  That is the main issue with the officiating.  I have no issue with the new technical rules, but it needs to be called consistently.  Just because your last name is James doesn't mean you are exempt from the rules of the game.

[nba is the worst]

I'm proud of myself.  So far, I haven't watched one NBA game besides the Celtics and it hasn't bothered me one bit.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, so long as I can watch my Celtics.

I'm curious - now that the game is in the more distant past, (and possibly after review of the pertinent Youtube showing the shot clock from the other thread on Parker's three) - do you still think that the shot shouldn't have counted?

No I don't think it should have counted, but given that they were not able to look at when the clock started, they had to count it.  But that is not the only reason I am fed up with the NBA, that's just a tiny fraction.  I've been leaning towards this for some time, but finally think that Stern is going to keep ignoring the ref problem instead of fix it and keep going after players for some things that might be considered petty compared to the real problems facing the NBA. Giving the refs more power rather than fix the problems? Yeah, right!

All I can say is look at the clip - it looks like the clock started on time to me (and perhaps it should have been 2 secs on the clock as well, when KG knocked the ball out)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdQUII_8fJY&feature=player_embedded

[Bankshot]

I'm proud of myself.  So far, I haven't watched one NBA game besides the Celtics and it hasn't bothered me one bit.  I don't feel like I'm missing anything, so long as I can watch my Celtics.

I'm curious - now that the game is in the more distant past, (and possibly after review of the pertinent Youtube showing the shot clock from the other thread on Parker's three) - do you still think that the shot shouldn't have counted?

No I don't think it should have counted, but given that they were not able to look at when the clock started, they had to count it.  But that is not the only reason I am fed up with the NBA, that's just a tiny fraction.  I've been leaning towards this for some time, but finally think that Stern is going to keep ignoring the ref problem instead of fix it and keep going after players for some things that might be considered petty compared to the real problems facing the NBA. Giving the refs more power rather than fix the problems? Yeah, right!

All I can say is look at the clip - it looks like the clock started on time to me (and perhaps it should have been 2 secs on the clock as well, when KG knocked the ball out)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdQUII_8fJY&feature=player_embedded

This incident doesn't matter to me anymore.  There will be other obvious bad decisions by the refs to make up for that one.  And that's a guarantee. 

[Bankshot]

Told you!  I know the Celtics won, but that was a horribly officiated game.  You can't tell me that the refs weren't trying to keep the Heat in that game last night. It was ridiculous.  I'm glad I don't regularly watch this crap anymore.

Just about every time the Celtics went to the hoop, it was a clean play by the Heat, but you couldn't breath on a Heat player without a foul call.  The flagrant on Shaq was bull and so was the Tech on Nate.  Just awful!   I'm just so sick of it.

[Master Po]

I have to admit the refs last night was the worst I have seen in terms of favoritism .....it is close to ruining the game for me as well...totally agree Bankshot (strange isn't it  )

[housecall]

What makes it even worst they( NBA officials)disrespect future HOF'ers,veteran players when they make these bad calls or no-calls.Its bad when we see it done to any player but when guys like Ray,KG and Pierce are treated like they are some rookie that just came into the league then its time to reevaluate why am i still watching the games.As much as i want to give it up somewhere it has to get better.When the media(power)starts calling out the officials on a regular basis maybe the people responsible will start to clean it up.The media,sports writers have the power to make a difference in this case.IMO

Jeff get busy,please!