I'm Done With the NBA

[GreenEnvy]

Ugh, I must be too tired tonight.

droopdog7 is right, 01 on the shot clock means less than 1 second, which means the likelihood of Parker getting that shot off even more unlikely.

And guava, I must have forgot about the rule for timekeeping. But I don't recall them even reviewing that aspect, just whether he got it off before the shot clock went off, which he clearly did. Again, he got it WAY off. The ball was in mid-air when the clock hit 0, meaning he got it off with .1+ left. There was a lot of stuff happening in that little time. I don't buy it.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter. The way we were playing, Sessions would have dunked on Rondo for the game-winner or something.

[Celtics4ever]

WWE has better refs.

[guava_wrench]

Ugh, I must be too tired tonight.

droopdog7 is right, 01 on the shot clock means less than 1 second, which means the likelihood of Parker getting that shot off even more unlikely.

And guava, I must have forgot about the rule for timekeeping. But I don't recall them even reviewing that aspect, just whether he got it off before the shot clock went off, which he clearly did. Again, he got it WAY off. The ball was in mid-air when the clock hit 0, meaning he got it off with .1+ left. There was a lot of stuff happening in that little time. I don't buy it.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter. The way we were playing, Sessions would have dunked on Rondo for the game-winner or something.

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

[freshinthehouse]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

[Chris]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

Tommy couldn't agree more...so he gives you a Tommy Point.

[Tai]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

Lol TP. This topic is quite honestly a joke to me, too.

[nba is the worst]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

VERY WELL SAID - TP!

[nba is the worst]

I'll watch my beloved Celtics only.  I'm so sick of Stern and his league!  That Anthony Parker 3 was the last straw for me.  By itself, it's not a big deal, but giving the refs more power with this technical business banning upside down headbands when there are more serious problems plaguing the league?  What is wrong with this guy?

Anthony Parker had one second, but was given 2-3 second to catch the ball, wind up then shoot.  The play was reviewed and they still allowed it.  Remember Baby's 3?  They reviewed and it was not allowed. They were correct on Baby's 3.  But they were wrong on Parker's. No excuse for getting it wrong after reviewing it.

I don't blame the refs for the loss last night, because the Celtics let the Cavs hang around so that the refs were able to have an impact on the outcome of the game.

I'm just so sick of these refs and Stern.  While they may not be doing any fixing of games, they are so incompetent that it looks that way!

I'm done.

This argument would carry more weight had it been a 3-pt margin of victory...

[nba is the worst]

I agree.  But I also think there needs to be some meeting halfway.  While the refs have some work to do, there also is an oversensitivity to them by a lot of people these days.  I think a lot of people expect the refs to be bad, and because of that, all they see is the bad calls.

I always feel that reading the comments from the boards on both sides is very telling about the officiating.  It is true that a lot of times we see the bad calls on our team but don't notice  the bad calls going the other way.  If I read the boards from both teams and they are both complaining about the calls, I'm usually ok with that.  That means that they are at least calling it both ways.  They may be incompetent but they are trying to be fair.  But when I read one team's board and they are complaining about the calls and the other team's boards are talking about how they can't believe all the calls they are getting in their favor, then I know that the refs are calling the game in one direction and trying to influence the outcome by making calls for one of the teams.  That is inexcusable.  It is worse than a ref betting on the league.  It is worse than just being incompetent.  It is dishonest and it is criminal.  Unfortunately, this happens a lot.  

While I love this site, I don't think I would ever go to a messageboard (or two) to get a rational depiction of what is really going on.  

I think he's correct - if the fans from both biases can see the refs lack of impatiality, it's convincing...

I also agree with the selective application of the technical foul rules mentioned by FlCeltsFan being BS!

[CoachCowens]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

Just so I have this straight. Any Celtic fan that complains about officiating is biased and David Stern has no bias despite growing up not that far from NYC.

[Chris]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

Just so I have this straight. Any Celtic fan that complains about officiating is biased and David Stern has no bias despite growing up not that far from NYC.

Tommy Heinsohn didn't grow up that far from NYC...

Just sayin...

[ACF]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

Just so I have this straight. Any Celtic fan that complains about officiating is biased and David Stern has no bias despite growing up not that far from NYC.

Tommy Heinsohn didn't grow up that far from NYC...

Just sayin...

Not that I'm buying any of this but Tommy used to play for the Celtics while Stern worked in a law firm. I once read somewhere that Stern said that "the perfect NBA Finals would be played between the LA Lakers and the LA Lakers." I guess we can change that to the "Miami Heat" 

[Jon Niednagel]

How could you recall what they reviewed since we don't hear what they are saying when they review? People are just jumping to conclusions.

I am not convinced that he did not get the shot off in time and I AM convinced that this play is getting way more attention than it deserves.

I can taste the irony as I see the "miami heat fans excuse" thread title to the right of my cursor in the "latest forum topics" sidebar.

But don't you see?  When the C's win a game, they win it fair and square.  When the C's lose a game, it's an Orwellian plot to bring down the C's by David Stern and his team of referee henchmen. If you went by an online consensus of C's fans, the C's haven't lost a game fairly since some time in the mid's 90s (or whenever the first message board started).  It's a reflection of society as a whole.  When things go bad, it's some else's fault!  Blaming others is a lot easier than looking in the mirror.

To be fair, you could say the same thing about any team's message board.

Also, (and this is not directed at any one person) there seem to be some misinterpretation of posts and other poster's belief system as it pertains to the Celtics. I say this in response to a few of the previous posts I've just read.  my impression is that most folks posting here are simply angry at that call, which was at its very best a questionable call (regardless of whether it was correct or not). I don't really see the harm in that or why it should be looked down upon as a character fault. It hurts when it a call goes against your team, and the officials do make mistakes. That said, I really don't think I've read much here about the refs "causing" the loss, and most people seem to be saying the refs were only one factor among a multitude of factors that lead to the Celtics loss in that game. Most people seem to appropriately be putting the onus on the players first, but that doesn't mean they should have to ignore the other things as well. In other words, calls one way or the other were not being used as an excuse in my opinion. The calls have been used as a way of trying to conceptualize the various factors that went into losing the game. I think it is quite normal for some of the factors to have a greater emotional salience to them than others, so maybe it is the misperception of one's affect that is leading to the misinterpretation of their beliefs and biases.
 
To me, it feels like the desire of some to be seen as objective leads them to a contrarian style or bias, which invariably comes off in an elitist tone. Of course, this need to be seen as objective can color your impressions and views as much as being a Cs fan or listening to Tommy.  

[freshinthehouse]

To be fair, you could say the same thing about any team's message board.

Totally agree.  C's fans are no better or than any other team when it comes to homerism.  But that saddens me.  C's fans should be better than that.  It's depressing to see so many C's fans blaming last year's finals loss on the refs.  The C's lost because they had an awful fourth quarter.  They had the game in their grasp, and they lost it.  Whining about the refs months after the fact should be left to fans of second rate franchises, not the Boston Celtics.

And on the subject of other teams, that's why I take people whining about quality of refereeing with a grain of salt.  Each fanbase in the league thinks that the refs are against their team while favoring the opposition.  So which fanbase is right?  The answer to that is none of them are, because none of them are looking at things objectively.

One of the good things about living in an area that is a few hundred miles from the nearest NBA franchise is that a lot of the people here that follow basketball don't have team allegiances.  They just appreciate basketball.  A lot of my pals get a kick when I mention that a lot of C's fans think they get jobbed by the refs.  Every other team in the league thinks we get away with murder, especially on the defensive end.

[MBz]

I am just tired of how the NBA is officiated.  Sure the talent is better in an NBA game than in an NCAA game, but the officiating is far superior in an NCAA game.  Travels are called, fouls don't magically occur because of your last name, and there's no such thing as continuation.  Continuation is an absolute load of crap.  When the whistle blows, if he's in the act of shooting, it's a shooting foul, if not, then it should not be a shooting foul.  Somebody can reach across the body, slap a player, the guy can take two more steps and shoot and he gets to go to the line? That's bogus, the foul occurred on the floor.  I'll watch the Celtics, but I just can't watch any other NBA games.  It's all slow, all isolation.  Even if you watch a college game, where only 60 or so points are scored, you still see much more ball movement from the entire team then in an NBA game.