Baby Complaining

[Prof. Clutch]

I take it you haven't been receiving the "Anti-BBD Bonus" in your paycheck every week? 

Haha.  TP.

[Fafnir]

When I hear the constant repeat of past mistakes, the endless airing of complaints that have long ago been disproven, the constant nitpicking and yes, whining, here from the same old people and almost every mod, the credibility factor goes way down in my book.

When you're unable to actually bring up any points that have been "disproven" or actually name the "mods" in question your credibility also goes way down.

There is no mod monolithic opinion against BBD, I like him and tried to get his autograph before the season at a charity event!

What he said was immature that's the long and short of it.

I take it you haven't been receiving the "Anti-BBD Bonus" in your paycheck every week? 

Nope, I actually only take payment in the form of kidnapped princesses and gold. Jeff apparently can't write a check in gold bullion ammounts  .

But IP did give me a small teasure chest for my horde for the first pick in the draft:

[clover]

It is inexcusable how Doc responded and I am shocked that his comeback was so condescending and disrespectful. You just don't treat your good players (or any player) that way...bench or not. It's funny that Doc becomes jelly in the hands of the old players who are almost done and has continued to fill his team with new, injury-prone older players for the coming season. Yes, he wants one more title before he retires. Let's see how much he uses BBD this season. I'm willing to bet it's going to be a lot. Why? Because he needs his talent.   

I think it is quite excusable.  Perhaps Glen Davis is a player who requires being handled with a firmer hand than other players.  I also don't think it is quite as disrespectful has you make it out to be.  It's almost as if you personally identify with BBD and his flaws so much that you see any slight against him as a slight against yourself.

Big Baby is a player who is worth more than the minimum, but not a MLE-level salary.  He's not as useful as an aged Jermaine O'Neal.  He is more versatile than Shaq, but perhaps not as effective.  He's not so good that it is impossible to imagine Harangody passing him up on the depth chart.

I agree with all of that.  I thought Doc's response was masterful.  One quick putting him in his place and it was done with.  That's a coach who knows how to handle diverse personalities and not let one guy distract or detract from the team concept.

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It is inexcusable how Doc responded and I am shocked that his comeback was so condescending and disrespectful. You just don't treat your good players (or any player) that way...bench or not. It's funny that Doc becomes jelly in the hands of the old players who are almost done and has continued to fill his team with new, injury-prone older players for the coming season. Yes, he wants one more title before he retires. Let's see how much he uses BBD this season. I'm willing to bet it's going to be a lot. Why? Because he needs his talent.   

I think it is quite excusable.  Perhaps Glen Davis is a player who requires being handled with a firmer hand than other players.  I also don't think it is quite as disrespectful has you make it out to be.  It's almost as if you personally identify with BBD and his flaws so much that you see any slight against him as a slight against yourself.

Big Baby is a player who is worth more than the minimum, but not a MLE-level salary.  He's not as useful as an aged Jermaine O'Neal.  He is more versatile than Shaq, but perhaps not as effective.  He's not so good that it is impossible to imagine Harangody passing him up on the depth chart.

I agree with all of that.  I thought Doc's response was masterful.  One quick putting him in his place and it was done with.  That's a coach who knows how to handle diverse personalities and not let one guy distract or detract from the team concept.

Agreed.  Doc ended any possible camp drama quite quickly, and showed who is in command.  Danny came back with his own comments to maintain BBD's trade value and ego.  Classic good cop/bad cop.  Masterful indeed.

[thirstyboots18]

Clover, I agree with you.  Doc was exactly right.  Davis should have spoken to Doc about his questions, and the question would have been answered.  Media loves to stir things up.  When there are multiple news sources covering the same events each reporter tries to get an exclusive story and trivial events get blown out of proportion.  

I think a lot of us have been hard on Davis at times, because we have become used to a very high standard and get annoyed when Davis can't reach that standard.  On the other hand, I think we all cheer for him, as a member of the Celtics team, when he puts out the extra effort.  I was a huge fan of Scalabrini because of his effort.  It can be a conundrum...

I loved Al Jefferson when he was a member of the Celtics and still cheer for him.  Would I undo the trade for KG?  Not a chance.  Would I want him back on the Celtics now?  Depends...Am I happy that Delonte West is back on the team?  Absolutely.

We also don't hold back criticism of other team members...Perk and his slow gather,and Rondo's foul shooting woes, for example.  Hopefully they will continue to improve on those things and hopefully Davis will learn when and where to express himself.

I realize you feel an affinity for Glen Davis,mmmbaby, but I don't think it is fair of you to dress down someone who might not agree with you.

[mmbaby]

TP Loose Cannon, I guess you hit the nail on the head. Yes, I do indentify personally with BBD, for personal reasons I won't air here. 
But I also think I put up some pertinent points for some to ponder.

[Jevi]

   Injuries are part of the game, but for the Celtics the last two years, bigs have gone down ruining the season. This leaves a nightmare situation of forcing Baby to play crucial minutes, something he isn't equip to do. If he ain't happy, why let him start the season pouting on the bench? Make a move, make it fast. Shaq(Andre) and Baby(Kamala) are a dream WWE matchup not frontcourt. Baby just doesn't have what it takes to be on this team. He should already know what he can add a championship caliber team. Baby's energy isn't successful closing out series. Maybe Danny appreciates Baby's whining, since Danny was known to be one himself.

[GreenFaith1819]

Jevi - didn't Glen play crucial minutes in 08-09 playoffs? Even won a game for us on that buzzer beater against the Magic.

I think he played admirably then, in crucial minutes, myself.

[Atzar]

  Injuries are part of the game, but for the Celtics the last two years, bigs have gone down ruining the season. This leaves a nightmare situation of forcing Baby to play crucial minutes, something he isn't equip to do. If he ain't happy, why let him start the season pouting on the bench? Make a move, make it fast. Shaq(Andre) and Baby(Kamala) are a dream WWE matchup not frontcourt. Baby just doesn't have what it takes to be on this team. He should already know what he can add a championship caliber team. Baby's energy isn't successful closing out series. Maybe Danny appreciates Baby's whining, since Danny was known to be one himself.

That's a weird attitude to have, given his performance in the playoffs over the last two years.  I'd like to see some more consistency from him, but I think it's pretty clear that he's an important contributor to a championship-caliber team.

[guava_wrench]

   Injuries are part of the game, but for the Celtics the last two years, bigs have gone down ruining the season. This leaves a nightmare situation of forcing Baby to play crucial minutes, something he isn't equip to do. If he ain't happy, why let him start the season pouting on the bench? Make a move, make it fast. Shaq(Andre) and Baby(Kamala) are a dream WWE matchup not frontcourt. Baby just doesn't have what it takes to be on this team. He should already know what he can add a championship caliber team. Baby's energy isn't successful closing out series. Maybe Danny appreciates Baby's whining, since Danny was known to be one himself.

I don't get the comment about Baby not having what it takes when he is actually contributing! What big was injured when Baby was contributing last season in the playoffs? Perk was only out at the end of the finals.

Baby is fine in his limited role. I have no idea why you are linking Baby's energy to closing out a series. There are countless factors we could point to if we want, but for some reason you chose him. I don't get it. Maybe I'm just obtuse.

[Jevi]

 Baby as mentioned started for an injured KG, and was sole reason we lost #1 seed, finishing 3rd in 09. He continued in the playoffs, and was also reason those games were even as close as they were. The Chicago series as classic as it was, should have never even been remotely close. Do you not remember how we started season, for fans who forgot how we even got that #1 seed. We killed that team with KG. The Orlando game winner is hyperbole. You can't be clutch when you were responsible for team's deficiencies the whole game. The Miami Heat playoff game he started was actually positive, didn't hurt the team for once. The Finals, game 4? Doc threw a rested Baby against a tired Lakers team, don't believe me? Then where the hell did Baby go after that game, because 6 points in the next three games was pathetic. Then there is game 7, you know the game that dynamically changed when he was forced to play out(Rasheed's back tweak). Are you gonna deny the game was well in hand before Sheed's injury? 6pts and 9 rebounds don't amount to anything, when your addition is the difference in a Lakers comeback. Stop denying he doesn't hurt the spacing of this team on offense. His offensive rebounds, overrated if you take account his team is missing shots with him on the court! Defensive liability is being unable to defend, then can't get a defensive rebound that Artest shoots a three with. It was his rebound people. Does this sound familiar, are we gonna pretend none of this never happened at all.

[Bankshot]

Baby as mentioned started for an injured KG, and was sole reason we lost #1 seed, finishing 3rd in 09. He continued in the playoffs, and was also reason those games were even as close as they were. The Chicago series as classic as it was, should have never even been remotely close. Do you not remember how we started season, for fans who forgot how we even got that #1 seed. We killed that team with KG. The Orlando game winner is hyperbole. You can't be clutch when you were responsible for team's deficiencies the whole game. The Miami Heat playoff game he started was actually positive, didn't hurt the team for once. The Finals, game 4? Doc threw a rested Baby against a tired Lakers team, don't believe me? Then where the hell did Baby go after that game, because 6 points in the next three games was pathetic. Then there is game 7, you know the game that dynamically changed when he was forced to play out(Rasheed's back tweak). Are you gonna deny the game was well in hand before Sheed's injury? 6pts and 9 rebounds don't amount to anything, when your addition is the difference in a Lakers comeback. Stop denying he doesn't hurt the spacing of this team on offense. His offensive rebounds, overrated if you take account his team is missing shots with him on the court! Defensive liability is being unable to defend, then can't get a defensive rebound that Artest shoots a three with. It was his rebound people. Does this sound familiar, are we gonna pretend none of this never happened at all.

Are you saying Baby was the SOLE reason for losing the #1 seed or the fact that KG was out was the reason? Because you can't blame Baby because he's not KG, nobody is.

[Jevi]

We lead with #1 seed by 8 or 9,not sure,but I think a healthy Powe even Scal doesn't deteriorate the starting unit the way I've seen Baby constantly do. I think he is a good player, but he doesn't fit or aid this team whatsoever. Energy is a weak excuse for a mediocre player. Shoot everybody sees and feels KG's energy, but he isn't defined by that because he's much more. Nobody can be KG, you're right but in two years we were stuck with playing Baby to end a seasons,no rings championships. And Doc knows it too or else Baby wouldn't have been buried behind KG, Powe, and Scal.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, looks like Glen Davis has the support of Ray Allen, at least. I took this quote from todays "Ray Allen leads pedestrian life" article from Boston Herald:

“I just get to come out here and do my job,” he said. “I have great confidence in myself and great security in knowing what it is I need to do to help this team be successful. But every day (Shaquille O’Neal’s) here, Kevin (Garnett), (Rajon) Rondo, Big Baby (Glen Davis), Nate (Robinson), Paul (Pierce). We’ve got some good names on this team of guys that have had some very fascinating and exciting careers in basketball. I just get to come here and do my job. I know the guys we have will make me better, but at the same time I have to make them better, too.

“Things are kind of leveled out now,” he said. “It’s not me, Paul and Kevin - you know, how we came in that first year with all the media attention and the scrutiny of everybody watching us. Now you’ve got Rondo bringing himself to a great level, and (Kendrick Perkins [stats]) has done that, too. Glen has established himself.”

If Ray was upset by Glen's comments last week, he certainly doesn't show it here.

I think we all know Glen Davis' limitations by now. But at the end of the day, I'm glad he's on our bench. To me personally, I can't pen losing in 08-09 playoffs on Glen Davis, nor can I blame him soley for us losing to LA in June of this year.

For me, I'm looking forward to another year of Glen, backing up KG, and for a salary that doesn't hem us up. He is well worth what he is getting paid, and IMO has been a bargain for us.

[Bankshot]

We lead with #1 seed by 8 or 9,not sure,but I think a healthy Powe even Scal doesn't deteriorate the starting unit the way I've seen Baby constantly do. I think he is a good player, but he doesn't fit or aid this team whatsoever. Energy is a weak excuse for a mediocre player. Shoot everybody sees and feels KG's energy, but he isn't defined by that because he's much more. Nobody can be KG, you're right but in two years we were stuck with playing Baby to end a seasons,no rings championships. And Doc knows it too or else Baby wouldn't have been buried behind KG, Powe, and Scal.

Yeah, whatever.