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[Roy H.]

I disagree

Hes as much as a black whole as always and a stat racker in a stinky team that has no other option but him

 

Gotta disagree.  He puts up stats, but those stats help the team win.  Memphis is once again in playoff contention this year, with Randolph being a big part of that.  That's despite the out of control locker room and poor coaching.  Also, in terms of being a black hole, he ranks in the top 30 of all big men in terms of assists.  Passing isn't a particular strength of his, but he's in the top half of starting big men in terms of moving the ball.

say he ranks in the top 30 of 30 big mans.

:p

And for playoff contention thanks mayo and Rudy, rudy is mr. clutch this year, I wonder how memphis will do without mayo.

60 starting big men, plus probably 90 - 120 more bigs coming off the bench, Edgar.  29th, or whatever he is, isn't so bad.  Not great, but not bad either.

Also, O.J. Mayo is probably the biggest reason Memphis *isn't* in the top eight in the West right now.  He's been horrific, and has dragged the team down.

[StartOrien]

I think its tough to figure out Z-Bo. Right now, he's a major part of a team whose starting lineup is pretty talented; yet they're only a contender for playoffs, and in all likelihood will find themselves out of the big picture again. So you'd think he'd have some blame in that.

But at the same time Roy's right, the lockeroom, coaching staff, and front office are a complete mess - and all of his previous teams have had similar situations, and I don't think he shoulders much of the blame for that.

[Fafnir]

I disagree

Hes as much as a black whole as always and a stat racker in a stinky team that has no other option but him

 

Gotta disagree.  He puts up stats, but those stats help the team win.  Memphis is once again in playoff contention this year, with Randolph being a big part of that.  That's despite the out of control locker room and poor coaching.  Also, in terms of being a black hole, he ranks in the top 30 of all big men in terms of assists.  Passing isn't a particular strength of his, but he's in the top half of starting big men in terms of moving the ball.

That's because he plays 36 minutes a game and also touches the ball a lot.

His assist ratio is 61st out of 75 qualifying PFs, if we expanded that to include centers he's 107th of all big men.

[Edgar]

I disagree

Hes as much as a black whole as always and a stat racker in a stinky team that has no other option but him

 

Gotta disagree.  He puts up stats, but those stats help the team win.  Memphis is once again in playoff contention this year, with Randolph being a big part of that.  That's despite the out of control locker room and poor coaching.  Also, in terms of being a black hole, he ranks in the top 30 of all big men in terms of assists.  Passing isn't a particular strength of his, but he's in the top half of starting big men in terms of moving the ball.

say he ranks in the top 30 of 30 big mans.

:p

And for playoff contention thanks mayo and Rudy, rudy is mr. clutch this year, I wonder how memphis will do without mayo.

60 starting big men, plus probably 90 - 120 more bigs coming off the bench, Edgar.   29th, or whatever he is, isn't so bad.  Not great, but not bad either.

Of course conviniently youre not using Per today my very estimated ex co manager

[Fafnir]

Z-Bo does a fine job of scoring at okay efficiency and creating extra possesions for his team by rebounding. But he's a ball stopper and a defensive liability.

That limits his impact below what a guy with similar stats who's more well rounded can do for a team.

[Roy H.]

I disagree

Hes as much as a black whole as always and a stat racker in a stinky team that has no other option but him

 

Gotta disagree.  He puts up stats, but those stats help the team win.  Memphis is once again in playoff contention this year, with Randolph being a big part of that.  That's despite the out of control locker room and poor coaching.  Also, in terms of being a black hole, he ranks in the top 30 of all big men in terms of assists.  Passing isn't a particular strength of his, but he's in the top half of starting big men in terms of moving the ball.

That's because he plays 36 minutes a game and also touches the ball a lot.

His assist ratio is 61st out of 75 qualifying PFs, if we expanded that to include centers he's 107th of all big men.

You know somebody with a worse assist-to-turnover ratio?  Amare.  I expect that post players are going to turn the ball over once in awhile.  

Anyway, the definition of "black hole" is pretty subjective, but I think Randolph moves the ball fine.  Of course, the team is also perfectly happy to let him have the ball down low to do what he does best:  produce points and rebounds.

Also, you're simply incorrect about Randolph's defense.  I know people don't watch a lot of Memphis games, but he's really turned his game around on that end.  This is born out in various defensive metrics, which have Randolph as slightly above average the last 2 - 3 years.

[Fafnir]

The assist ratio I was referring to was how many possessions that he uses end in an assist. Not asist to turnovers. Z-Bo doesn't turn the ball over much at all for a guy who shoots so much, that's one of the reasons he creates a lot of extra possessions for his teams.

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

[Roy H.]

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

In terms of counterpart production, Randolph held his opponents to 92% of their normal production last year.  This year, power forwards have a PER of 13.5 against him.  Defensive statistics are tough to measure, but the ones that exist support Randolph as an average to slightly above average defender, not the terrible one that people suggest.  (Nobody has ever said he was "good".)

[Fafnir]

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

In terms of counterpart production, Randolph held his opponents to 92% of their normal production last year.  This year, power forwards have a PER of 13.5 against him.  Defensive statistics are tough to measure, but the ones that exist support Randolph as an average to slightly above average defender, not the terrible one that people suggest.  (Nobody has ever said he was "good".)

Links?

I'm incredibly skeptical of counter-part stats. Cross matches, help defense, and rotations render them very noisy. I mean LaMarcus got a bunch of rebounds last night because Pierce/Ray didn't rotate to protect after KG/Perk went to help.

[Roy H.]

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

In terms of counterpart production, Randolph held his opponents to 92% of their normal production last year.  This year, power forwards have a PER of 13.5 against him.  Defensive statistics are tough to measure, but the ones that exist support Randolph as an average to slightly above average defender, not the terrible one that people suggest.  (Nobody has ever said he was "good".)

Links?

I'm incredibly skeptical of counter-part stats. Cross matches, help defense, and rotations render them very noisy. I mean LaMarcus got a bunch of rebounds last night because Pierce/Ray didn't rotate to protect after KG/Perk went to help.

I thought a stats hound like you would know where to find links for Opp Production and DMult by now.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MEM11.HTM#bypos

http://basketballprospectus.com/card.php?id=randoza01

[Edgar]

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

In terms of counterpart production, Randolph held his opponents to 92% of their normal production last year.  This year, power forwards have a PER of 13.5 against him.  Defensive statistics are tough to measure, but the ones that exist support Randolph as an average to slightly above average defender, not the terrible one that people suggest.  (Nobody has ever said he was "good".)

Links?

I'm incredibly skeptical of counter-part stats. Cross matches, help defense, and rotations render them very noisy. I mean LaMarcus got a bunch of rebounds last night because Pierce/Ray didn't rotate to protect after KG/Perk went to help.

I thought a stats hound like you would know where to find links for Opp Production and DMult by now.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MEM11.HTM#bypos

http://basketballprospectus.com/card.php?id=randoza01

now you use PER   

[Fafnir]

The opposing production low PER is mostly due to a huge rebounding differential, that doesn't say anything about Randolph's defense.

Dmult, I still don't understand well enough to say much about.

[Roy H.]

And Roy I'm not sure what defensive metrics you're referring to, but Z-Bo isn't a good defensive player. His effort has improved, like Amar'e's has, but that doesn't change that overall he's a negative on your team defense.

In terms of counterpart production, Randolph held his opponents to 92% of their normal production last year.  This year, power forwards have a PER of 13.5 against him.  Defensive statistics are tough to measure, but the ones that exist support Randolph as an average to slightly above average defender, not the terrible one that people suggest.  (Nobody has ever said he was "good".)

Links?

I'm incredibly skeptical of counter-part stats. Cross matches, help defense, and rotations render them very noisy. I mean LaMarcus got a bunch of rebounds last night because Pierce/Ray didn't rotate to protect after KG/Perk went to help.

I thought a stats hound like you would know where to find links for Opp Production and DMult by now.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10MEM11.HTM#bypos

http://basketballprospectus.com/card.php?id=randoza01

now you use PER   

I'm not a huge fan of PER, which says that Kevin Love is the best PF in the NBA.  However, the stat doesn't hurt my team:  Boozer and Randolph are 6th and 7th in the league among PFs.

[riah32]

My team is:

Bogut/Mohammad
Landry/Kris Humphries/Juwan Howard
Webster/Kapono/Ebanks
JR smith/ Brandon Rush/  Jordan Crawford
Rondo/ W Bynum

How do they get left out of the playoffs?

[KCattheStripe]

My team is:

Bogut/Mohammad
Landry/Kris Humphries/Juwan Howard
Webster/Kapono/Ebanks
JR smith/ Brandon Rush/  Jordan Crawford
Rondo/ W Bynum

How do they get left out of the playoffs?

Martell Webster and JR Smith aren't that good and Carl Landry's abilities were overblown by the media.