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[Evantime34]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

I feel slighted.

Your team is above-average, I just can't envision a circumstance where it wins a title.  The same is true of Indiana.

As for Seattle, I'm not sure if your roster was updated, KC.  The rankings are 1) off the cuff, and 2) based upon the rosters listed in the Transactions thread.

I feel like the underestimation of Josh Smith and Roddy Beaubois is the reason for the slight.

The reason I have a shot of the title is because I have 3 of the top 10 shot blockers in the league. The best point guard in the game, speed and solid rebounding.

Celtics fans should know if you have a team defense with an athletic 4 who can block shots, a stout 5 who can also block shots, a championship defense can be built around that.

Let's look at your team:

1. Nobody can say anything bad about Deron.  He's a great player, although I wouldn't have him as my #1 point guard in the league.  Right now, you don't have a backup PG.

2. After that, you have a 6'0" combo guard starting at SG.  I like Beaubois a lot, but he's inexperienced, and I don't think he's good enough to start on a championship team.  Unfortunately, behind him you have a rookie and the perpetually injured Marquis Daniels.

3. At SF, you have a pothead / headcase coming off of a major injury.  I think he'll be pretty good this year, but he's a locker room nightmare.  He's backed up by a rookie.

4. At PF, you have a hybrid SF/PF who, again, is a headcase.  Smith is a legitimately great defender, but his offense is pretty sporadic.  Behind him, you have a guy who largely sat on the bench last year.

5. Lastly, at center, you have a guy who, once again, has been known to have trouble with guys in his locker room.  Haywood is a solid defensive center, and forms a good defensive front line with Smith.  Behind him, you have a guy who does little more than block shots, and who struggled to earn minutes for a terrible Wizards team.

6.I don't see that team as being in any way comparable to the 2008 Celtics.  I've liked your teams in the past, but I think this one is going to be a playoff team that loses in the second round or earlier.

I numbered your points to make a response easier.
1. I think he is the best pg in the league. Roddy will be my back up pg and as we saw in the first half of the season Marquis is actually very good running the show.

2. Beaubois, is an unknown but he is young and will get better. Marquis will give us good minutes for a good portion of the season. Rookies do regularly contribute for very good teams. Hayward can play some 2 and I am confident either him or Henry will emerge.

3. Josh Howard has been a very good player for his career and should return after his knee surgery. I suspect that his poor play last year was due to injury and which deteriorated into his surgery. Quis can back him up and so can Hayward.

4. If the concern is that great about my 3 position Josh Smith will slide in and play some 3 to have him Haywood and McGee on the court at once (aka Minnesota Block Party). Just because a player doesn't play well on a specific team in a specific system does not mean he isn't good. Just look at Bass numbers in Dallas and you will know he's good enough to start on some teams in the NBA.

5. Haywood only has problems in the locker room on losing teams. This is not a losing team. McGee was 21 last season and showed flashes. Bad team or not rarely do players develop that quickly, especially project big men. So you have to assume he gets better, the question is how much better. Top 10 in the league in blocks number one in the league in block percentage. He is ready to play major minutes.

6. My teams in the past have always been underrated. This year the trend continues. Would you like my team more with Smith at the 3 and Howard McGee at the 4 and Howard at the two to start? I like that lineup but I'm not sure how the voters would react to it.

[action781]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

LAC are a very solid team.  Also, I think Miami is an overrated team.  Who's their starting SG?  Chicago's slightly overrated here too I think.

[Roy H.]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

I feel slighted.

Your team is above-average, I just can't envision a circumstance where it wins a title.  The same is true of Indiana.

As for Seattle, I'm not sure if your roster was updated, KC.  The rankings are 1) off the cuff, and 2) based upon the rosters listed in the Transactions thread.

I feel like the underestimation of Josh Smith and Roddy Beaubois is the reason for the slight.

The reason I have a shot of the title is because I have 3 of the top 10 shot blockers in the league. The best point guard in the game, speed and solid rebounding.

Celtics fans should know if you have a team defense with an athletic 4 who can block shots, a stout 5 who can also block shots, a championship defense can be built around that.

Let's look at your team:

1. Nobody can say anything bad about Deron.  He's a great player, although I wouldn't have him as my #1 point guard in the league.  Right now, you don't have a backup PG.

2. After that, you have a 6'0" combo guard starting at SG.  I like Beaubois a lot, but he's inexperienced, and I don't think he's good enough to start on a championship team.  Unfortunately, behind him you have a rookie and the perpetually injured Marquis Daniels.

3. At SF, you have a pothead / headcase coming off of a major injury.  I think he'll be pretty good this year, but he's a locker room nightmare.  He's backed up by a rookie.

4. At PF, you have a hybrid SF/PF who, again, is a headcase.  Smith is a legitimately great defender, but his offense is pretty sporadic.  Behind him, you have a guy who largely sat on the bench last year.

5. Lastly, at center, you have a guy who, once again, has been known to have trouble with guys in his locker room.  Haywood is a solid defensive center, and forms a good defensive front line with Smith.  Behind him, you have a guy who does little more than block shots, and who struggled to earn minutes for a terrible Wizards team.

6.I don't see that team as being in any way comparable to the 2008 Celtics.  I've liked your teams in the past, but I think this one is going to be a playoff team that loses in the second round or earlier.

I numbered your points to make a response easier.
1. I think he is the best pg in the league. Roddy will be my back up pg and as we saw in the first half of the season Marquis is actually very good running the show.

2. Beaubois, is an unknown but he is young and will get better. Marquis will give us good minutes for a good portion of the season. Rookies do regularly contribute for very good teams. Hayward can play some 2 and I am confident either him or Henry will emerge.

3. Josh Howard has been a very good player for his career and should return after his knee surgery. I suspect that his poor play last year was due to injury and which deteriorated into his surgery. Quis can back him up and so can Hayward.

4. If the concern is that great about my 3 position Josh Smith will slide in and play some 3 to have him Haywood and McGee on the court at once (aka Minnesota Block Party). Just because a player doesn't play well on a specific team in a specific system does not mean he isn't good. Just look at Bass numbers in Dallas and you will know he's good enough to start on some teams in the NBA.

5. Haywood only has problems in the locker room on losing teams. This is not a losing team. McGee was 21 last season and showed flashes. Bad team or not rarely do players develop that quickly, especially project big men. So you have to assume he gets better, the question is how much better. Top 10 in the league in blocks number one in the league in block percentage. He is ready to play major minutes.

6. My teams in the past have always been underrated. This year the trend continues. Would you like my team more with Smith at the 3 and Howard McGee at the 4 and Howard at the two to start? I like that lineup but I'm not sure how the voters would react to it.

Even with all of that said, though, you seem to acknowledge there are some major question marks.  You think those will all turn out in your favor, but I don't think other GMs will feel quite the same way.

[Evantime34]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

I feel slighted.

Your team is above-average, I just can't envision a circumstance where it wins a title.  The same is true of Indiana.

As for Seattle, I'm not sure if your roster was updated, KC.  The rankings are 1) off the cuff, and 2) based upon the rosters listed in the Transactions thread.

I feel like the underestimation of Josh Smith and Roddy Beaubois is the reason for the slight.

The reason I have a shot of the title is because I have 3 of the top 10 shot blockers in the league. The best point guard in the game, speed and solid rebounding.

Celtics fans should know if you have a team defense with an athletic 4 who can block shots, a stout 5 who can also block shots, a championship defense can be built around that.

Let's look at your team:

1. Nobody can say anything bad about Deron.  He's a great player, although I wouldn't have him as my #1 point guard in the league.  Right now, you don't have a backup PG.

2. After that, you have a 6'0" combo guard starting at SG.  I like Beaubois a lot, but he's inexperienced, and I don't think he's good enough to start on a championship team.  Unfortunately, behind him you have a rookie and the perpetually injured Marquis Daniels.

3. At SF, you have a pothead / headcase coming off of a major injury.  I think he'll be pretty good this year, but he's a locker room nightmare.  He's backed up by a rookie.

4. At PF, you have a hybrid SF/PF who, again, is a headcase.  Smith is a legitimately great defender, but his offense is pretty sporadic.  Behind him, you have a guy who largely sat on the bench last year.

5. Lastly, at center, you have a guy who, once again, has been known to have trouble with guys in his locker room.  Haywood is a solid defensive center, and forms a good defensive front line with Smith.  Behind him, you have a guy who does little more than block shots, and who struggled to earn minutes for a terrible Wizards team.

6.I don't see that team as being in any way comparable to the 2008 Celtics.  I've liked your teams in the past, but I think this one is going to be a playoff team that loses in the second round or earlier.

I numbered your points to make a response easier.
1. I think he is the best pg in the league. Roddy will be my back up pg and as we saw in the first half of the season Marquis is actually very good running the show.

2. Beaubois, is an unknown but he is young and will get better. Marquis will give us good minutes for a good portion of the season. Rookies do regularly contribute for very good teams. Hayward can play some 2 and I am confident either him or Henry will emerge.

3. Josh Howard has been a very good player for his career and should return after his knee surgery. I suspect that his poor play last year was due to injury and which deteriorated into his surgery. Quis can back him up and so can Hayward.

4. If the concern is that great about my 3 position Josh Smith will slide in and play some 3 to have him Haywood and McGee on the court at once (aka Minnesota Block Party). Just because a player doesn't play well on a specific team in a specific system does not mean he isn't good. Just look at Bass numbers in Dallas and you will know he's good enough to start on some teams in the NBA.

5. Haywood only has problems in the locker room on losing teams. This is not a losing team. McGee was 21 last season and showed flashes. Bad team or not rarely do players develop that quickly, especially project big men. So you have to assume he gets better, the question is how much better. Top 10 in the league in blocks number one in the league in block percentage. He is ready to play major minutes.

6. My teams in the past have always been underrated. This year the trend continues. Would you like my team more with Smith at the 3 and Howard McGee at the 4 and Howard at the two to start? I like that lineup but I'm not sure how the voters would react to it.

Even with all of that said, though, you seem to acknowledge there are some major question marks.  You think those will all turn out in your favor, but I don't think other GMs will feel quite the same way.

Yeah, I assume that I won't get that favorable of voting but be prepared for a healthy dose of I told you (that's the royal you) so once the season starts.

[Fafnir]

Deron, Howard, Smith, McGee, Haywood would be a nasty lineup defensively.

But they'd struggle to score, only two shooters. I can see teams baiting Josh Smith to shoot a lot of long 2s with that line up.

[Roy H.]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

LAC are a very solid team.  Also, I think Miami is an overrated team.  Who's their starting SG?  Chicago's slightly overrated here too I think.

The Clippers are solid enough, I agree.  I think Marion is still overrated by some, and I expect Ben Wallace to decline.  That team's fate depends upon whether KG can play with fire for an entire playoff season.

I don't have Miami in my top eight.  As for Chicago, I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think they're in the top eight teams in the NBA.  They weakened themselves with the Amare trade, but they're still darn good.

[Edgar]

With the adition of udokas defense and Wayne scoring for garbage time
Angrypickecrotornats are more than happy this days and getting ready to deffend the tittle

We are happy that Rasho told us he will be rooting for us desde Europa

[Who]

Another thing people have to realize is that in this league due to our draft the talent is more evenly distributed. So having a team that is comparable to a 3 seed in the east actually equates to a better team in this draft because the elite teams in this league aren't as elite as the elite teams in the NBA (since the bad teams in our league are better than the bad teams in the NBA).

This is very true -- when I give win loss predictions I am comparing to the league rather than this fantasy game.

Coming up with meaningful W-L predictions in this fantasy league would take a very long time. The less time consuming way (still very accurate) is to compare to the league and pick out the best teams in each Conference and then compare them head-to-head to decide a pecking order. Create a power rankings type list off that information.

[celticpride07]

i know we all hate the lakers but i think i have formed a solid team so far and the lakers are being overlooked.

LA Lakers: Coach K

PG Curry/Augustin/Dooling
SG Roy/M Thornton/McGrady
SF Prince/Q Richardson/Hayes
PF Beasley/J Green
C  Chandler/D Andersen

Picks:13.5 13.12 13.19

[Edgar]

Starting Lineup: Jammer Nelson, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, David Lee, Kendrick Perkins*
Rotation: Brad Miller*, Delonte West, Ime Udoka, Joel Anthony, Wayne Ellington
Europe: Rasho Nesterovic.

Man.. this is hell of a team.

[action781]

I numbered your points to make a response easier.
1. I think he is the best pg in the league. Roddy will be my back up pg and as we saw in the first half of the season Marquis is actually very good running the show.

2. Beaubois, is an unknown but he is young and will get better. Marquis will give us good minutes for a good portion of the season. Rookies do regularly contribute for very good teams. Hayward can play some 2 and I am confident either him or Henry will emerge.

3. Josh Howard has been a very good player for his career and should return after his knee surgery. I suspect that his poor play last year was due to injury and which deteriorated into his surgery. Quis can back him up and so can Hayward.

4. If the concern is that great about my 3 position Josh Smith will slide in and play some 3 to have him Haywood and McGee on the court at once (aka Minnesota Block Party). Just because a player doesn't play well on a specific team in a specific system does not mean he isn't good. Just look at Bass numbers in Dallas and you will know he's good enough to start on some teams in the NBA.

5. Haywood only has problems in the locker room on losing teams. This is not a losing team. McGee was 21 last season and showed flashes. Bad team or not rarely do players develop that quickly, especially project big men. So you have to assume he gets better, the question is how much better. Top 10 in the league in blocks number one in the league in block percentage. He is ready to play major minutes.

6. My teams in the past have always been underrated. This year the trend continues. Would you like my team more with Smith at the 3 and Howard McGee at the 4 and Howard at the two to start? I like that lineup but I'm not sure how the voters would react to it.

Even with all of that said, though, you seem to acknowledge there are some major question marks.  You think those will all turn out in your favor, but I don't think other GMs will feel quite the same way.

Agreed.  Do you realize you're counting on
1. an undersized sophomore making the leap this year
2. 1 or 2 rookies stepping up and emerging (i was also confident that giddens or walker could do what you're saying)
3. howard coming back to old form after surgery

You are counting on all of those happen when I think probably one of them might.  Also, I think you have tinted glasses on when defending your team, because this is what I think:

1.  haywood and thomas were on a playoff team when they were fighting

2.  bass could start as PF on some teams?  which ones?  that's like saying big baby could start as PF on some teams.  i know he's not your starter, but saying that loses argumentative credibility in my mind and i start to pick apart everything.

3. beabois is 10x better than bibby?  this guy got 3 DNP - CD's in the first and only round of the playoffs last season.  he's a scorer and not a passer and he's your point guard?  or your undersized shooting guard?  he played 12mpg last season as a rookie, how do you know what that will translate into with more minutes?

[Evantime34]

Another thing people have to realize is that in this league due to our draft the talent is more evenly distributed. So having a team that is comparable to a 3 seed in the east actually equates to a better team in this draft because the elite teams in this league aren't as elite as the elite teams in the NBA (since the bad teams in our league are better than the bad teams in the NBA).

This is very true -- when I give win loss predictions I am comparing to the league rather than this fantasy game.

Coming up with meaningful W-L predictions in this fantasy league would take a very long time. The less time consuming way (still very accurate) is to compare to the league and pick out the best teams in each Conference and then compare them head-to-head to decide a pecking order. Create a power rankings type list off that information.

I don't predict win total so much as rank teams.

[action781]

Another thing people have to realize is that in this league due to our draft the talent is more evenly distributed. So having a team that is comparable to a 3 seed in the east actually equates to a better team in this draft because the elite teams in this league aren't as elite as the elite teams in the NBA (since the bad teams in our league are better than the bad teams in the NBA).

This is very true -- when I give win loss predictions I am comparing to the league rather than this fantasy game.

Coming up with meaningful W-L predictions in this fantasy league would take a very long time. The less time consuming way (still very accurate) is to compare to the league and pick out the best teams in each Conference and then compare them head-to-head to decide a pecking order. Create a power rankings type list off that information.

I don't predict win total so much as rank teams.

Absolutely right, Evan.  That's why when I predict win totals, I rarely (still not yet) give anybody less than 30 wins and rarely (haven't yet since chicago traded amare) give anybody more than 60.  I think lots of records closer to the middle will be true in this league.

[riah32]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

LAC are a very solid team.  Also, I think Miami is an overrated team.  Who's their starting SG?  Chicago's slightly overrated here too I think.

The Clippers are solid enough, I agree.  I think Marion is still overrated by some, and I expect Ben Wallace to decline.  That team's fate depends upon whether KG can play with fire for an entire playoff season.

I don't have Miami in my top eight.  As for Chicago, I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think they're in the top eight teams in the NBA.  They weakened themselves with the Amare trade, but they're still darn good.

I feel the celtics were slighted I got some pretty good depth.

[action781]

My eight favorite teams, in no particular order:

Toronto
New York
Milwaukee
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
Denver
Utah

Who am I slighting?  Who am I overrating?

(Also, I think that when people actually look at the West, those who are calling Sacramento a borderline playoff team are going to be very surprised.)

LAC are a very solid team.  Also, I think Miami is an overrated team.  Who's their starting SG?  Chicago's slightly overrated here too I think.

The Clippers are solid enough, I agree.  I think Marion is still overrated by some, and I expect Ben Wallace to decline.  That team's fate depends upon whether KG can play with fire for an entire playoff season.

I don't have Miami in my top eight.  As for Chicago, I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think they're in the top eight teams in the NBA.  They weakened themselves with the Amare trade, but they're still darn good.

Oh yeah... I got confused between Atlanta and Miami.  I'm still not that crazy about Chicago.  I think if you shut down Lebron, you shut down this team.  Don't help off of Miller.  I personally think Jennings is overhyped too.