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[Who]

If anyone wants to do some team rankings that would be a cool thing to discuss.

I'd do another division besides my own.

Ok do my division.

At a quick glance I would rate the teams as following:

(1) Utah = 60+ win roster
(2) Minnesota = 48-52 wins
(3) Denver = 44-47 wins
(4) Oklahoma = 34-38 wins
(5) Portland = 25 wins

I think substantially less of Utah because I don't think Yao will ever be healthy enough to win that many games and I don't like a 2 guard rotation of Casspi and Galls because I'm not sure they have the handles to play the position, Unlike Rudy whom I spent a better part of 3 pages defending at the 2.

The Jazz have Jose Calderon + two low post threats (high usage highly talented offensive players).

The ball-handling responsibilities on either of their wing players will be fairly limited. 

I am a big fan of Casspi as a two guard (his natural position in my eyes) but I'm not wild about Gallinari there. I would have Wesley Johnson defend the two and keep Gallo at the three while Casspi is resting. In some instances, maybe even Mbah a Moute defend the two while Gallo or Wesley defends the four (depending on matchups).

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If Yao Ming is not healthy, hmmm ...

Starters: Jose + Casspi + Wesley + Pau + Robin
Rotation: N/A + Gallo + Mbah a Moute + C.Smith

Pau Gasol would be double up as my starting power forward (20mpg) and my backup center (18mpg). Robin Lopez would play about 30mpg. My backup power forwards, Mbah a Moute would be the rotation regular (20mpg) but Craig Smith (8mpg) would get more court time when facing the more physical opponents.

Jose Calderon would play 30-32 minutes as a starter so the backup PG would play a fair bit. I don't like Jose playing more minutes than that because I think he begins to break down over the course of a season.

Casspi would be playing 32-35 minutes a night as a starting two guard. Wesley would hopefully be good for 30+ minutes himself. He would be the starting three and double up as the backup two guard (13-18mpg). That would leave 35 minutes available at the three which would mostly go to Gallinari (25-30) but Mbah a Moute could get more court time if the squad required more of a stopper there than an offensive player.

Okay, so with that description, I would expect the Jazz to win around 53-56 games next season. I'd drop them back to the 50 win range if they fail to find a serviceable backup PG (more if I factor in a Jose injury which would likely be an unfortunate consequence).

[Evantime34]

If anyone wants to do some team rankings that would be a cool thing to discuss.

I'd do another division besides my own.

Ok do my division.

At a quick glance I would rate the teams as following:

(1) Utah = 60+ win roster
(2) Minnesota = 48-52 wins
(3) Denver = 44-47 wins
(4) Oklahoma = 34-38 wins
(5) Portland = 25 wins

I think substantially less of Utah because I don't think Yao will ever be healthy enough to win that many games and I don't like a 2 guard rotation of Casspi and Galls because I'm not sure they have the handles to play the position, Unlike Rudy whom I spent a better part of 3 pages defending at the 2.

The Jazz have Jose Calderon + two low post threats (high usage highly talented offensive players).

The ball-handling responsibilities on either of their wing players will be fairly limited. 

I am a big fan of Casspi as a two guard (his natural position in my eyes) but I'm not wild about Gallinari there. I would have Wesley Johnson defend the two and keep Gallo at the three while Casspi is resting. In some instances, maybe even Mbah a Moute defend the two while Gallo or Wesley defends the four (depending on matchups).

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If Yao Ming is not healthy, hmmm ...

Starters: Jose + Casspi + Wesley + Pau + Robin
Rotation: N/A + Gallo + Mbah a Moute + C.Smith

Pau Gasol would be double up as my starting power forward (20mpg) and my backup center (18mpg). Robin Lopez would play about 30mpg. My backup power forwards, Mbah a Moute would be the rotation regular (20mpg) but Craig Smith (8mpg) would get more court time when facing the more physical opponents.

Jose Calderon would play 30-32 minutes as a starter so the backup PG would play a fair bit. I don't like Jose playing more minutes than that because I think he begins to break down over the course of a season.

Casspi would be playing 32-35 minutes a night as a starting two guard. Wesley would hopefully be good for 30+ minutes himself. He would be the starting three and double up as the backup two guard (13-18mpg). That would leave 35 minutes available at the three which would mostly go to Gallinari (25-30) but Mbah a Moute could get more court time if the squad required more of a stopper there than an offensive player.

Okay, so with that description, I would expect the Jazz to win around 53-56 games next season. I'd drop them back to the 50 win range if they fail to find a serviceable backup PG (more if I factor in a Jose injury which would likely be an unfortunate consequence).

I think that their length will be a problem for a lot of people. The way my team would counter that would be to run early and often negating their size advantage. We would pressure Calderon and make him pass the ball to their wings which forces people with poor handle to handle the ball.
In my opinion that would be the recipe to beat them.

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Denver Nuggets         Gainsville Celtic
-Guards: Russell Westbrook, Ronnie Brewer, Terrance Williams, Steve Blaek
-Forwards: Trevor Ariza, Drew Gooden, Taj Gibson, Josh Childress
-Center: Tim Duncan, Darko Milicic

PG Westbrook/Blake
SG Brewer/Williams
SF Ariza/Childress/
PF Gibson/Gooden/
C Duncan/Milicic

100 Words:
I think that Westbrook is a good person to run this backcourt as long as Ariza manages to regain his shooting form. The thing that worries me is that without a premier scorer at the 2/3 (the traditional 1st or 2nd scorer on a team), who is going to take the burden off of Ariza, who wilted under the pressure this past season? Duncan/Gibson/Gooden/Milicic Is as good a bigs rotation as there is probably, from top to bottom. Other teams have better starters, but 1-4 is one of the best. Childress could surpass Ariza for the starting minutes, but I think Ariza starting will be as much about his own ego (compared with Childress's own balanced temperment) as anything else. I like Blake behind Westbrook and I see Blake playing a lot of minutes at the 2 also, unless Terrance Williams finds some consistency.


Utah Jazz              Donoghus
-Guards: Jose Calderon, Omri Casspi, Danilo Gallinar
-Forwards: Pau Gasol, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Wesley Johnson, Craig Smith
-Centers: Yao Ming, Robin Lopez

PG: Calderon,
SG Omri Casspi/ Gallinari
SF Luc Mbah A Moute/Wesley Johnson
PF Pau Gasol/Craig Smith
C Yao Ming/Robin Lopez

100 Words:
I am no longer a big Calderon fan. I know he can pass the ball, and I know he doesn't turn the ball over, but he doesn't play good defense, and he just can't seem to improve at all. That said, I love Casspi, Gallinari, and Mbah a Moute. In my own vision for this team, Wesley Johnson would start over Mbah a Moute but this isn't my squad. Pau Gasol and Yao Ming as the top starting 4,5 in the division, if not the conference, if not the league. They're going to be a little slow, but that's mostly on Ming's shoulders, not Gasol's. These guys while in the game together will dominate every facet of the post. Casspi, Gallo, Johnson, and Calderon should keep the opposing teams' post defenders honest with their ability from deep. Also love Robin Lopez behind Ming. If Yao isn't ready for training camp, which is a possibility, Lopez can easily start and play as a tough  defender in the post. 

Portland Trailblazers  Jsaad
-Guards: Evan Turner, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Jason Williams
-Forwards: Derrick Favors, Thaddeus Young, Maurice Evans
-Centers: Brook Lopez, Spencer Hawes, Matt Bonner

PG Dragic, Jason WIlliams
SG Turner
SF Thad Young, Evans
PF Favors, Bonner
C Lopez, Hawes

100 Words: This is obviously not a playoff caliber team, and really can't be honestly evaluated until next season (or the season after) when Rubio comes over.  Favors should be inconsistent at best this season, and while Turner should be better, he won't be an all-star or anything close.  I also don't like Young as a SF, I think he's proven that he's more of a tweener with a leaning to 4 than a tweener with a leaning towards the 3. That's the bad news. The good news is that there isn't a younger core in the league that is head and shoulders above this one, and with the addition of Rubio a very good case could be made for team of the future. Brook Lopez is a straight out stud at the center, and Favors/Turner should compliment him well. The record won't look good this season, but the lottery pick could become their starting SF.


Oklahoma City Thunder  Greenbean
-Guards: OJ Mayo, Darren Collison, Thabo Sefolosha, DeMar DeRozan
-Forwards: Jermaine O'Neal, Glen Big Baby Davis
-Center: Chris Kaman, Marreese Speights


PG Darren Collison
SG Sefelosha
SF Butler
PF O'Neal
C Kaman

100 Words:
This team should start Speights. There is no way that Jermaine O'Neal can consistently start at the 4 with that team. Too slow, and honestly too versatile to waste him playing major minutes at the 4. I love Darren Collison, like Thabo Sefelosha, and have cooled a bit on Butler.  I worry about the shooting with Darren Collison being the only consistent shooter out there, I don't know if there will be enough room for Kaman and Speights to operate. The defense on the wings should be excellent, and O'Neal can hold his own. BBD should provide a good burst off the bench, and DeMar Derozan should supplant Thabo as the starter at the 2 within 2 years.

Minnesota Timberwolves Evantime34/Lip413
Guards: Deron Williams, Rodrigue Beaubois, Marquis Daniels
Forwards: Josh Howard, Gordon Hayward, Josh Smith, Brandon Bass
Centers: Brandon Haywood, JaVale McGee

PG Deron Williams/Beaubois
SG Rodrigue Beaubois/Hayward
SF Josh Howard/Hayward
PF Josh Smith/Brandon Bass
C Brandon Haywood/McGee


I like Deron Williams as the reigning "Best PG In the League". Chris Paul might very well steal that honor back this season, but Williams has it now. I also like Roddy B, but not as the starting 2 here. One reason being, he won't be ready for the start of the season. I think Hayward is talented enough now to be a role player at the 2 for a team that should get close to 20 ppg from its PG as it is now anyways. In the frontcourt, I like the idea of Josh Smith on other peoples' teams. I don't quite get him enough to get behind him, but he'll keep your team moving end to end, he'll create a lot of turnovers (and probably commit a fair amount too), and he'll take some ill advised shots. In the end, he'll bring more to the party than he takes away, so that's what really counts. Brandon Bass is a terrific traditional backup to have behind him. I also love McGee behind Haywood, and I think after this year, McGee might be the better player. Josh Howard has a LOT to prove this year. I think he's still got a fair amount of run left in him, and I think he can turn it around. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see if anything happens when knucklehead A (Josh Smith) meets knucklehead B (Josh Howard)

End Judgment:

1) Utah: I like the versatility, and I love the frontcourt. I think Yao's health is a major enough concern though that it keeps them from having HC in the playoffs.
2) Denver: Top to bottom the most talented team in the division, but even Tim Duncan can't compensate for Utah's frontcourt. I love Westbrook here too, especially with long athletic players like Brewer, Williams, Childress, and Ariza.
3) Minny: Deron Williams is the best thing going for this team, and it'll be up to him if they can leapfrog Utah or Denver. If Howard returns to form and Beaubois can quickly return to health to develop a rapport with Deron Williams, this team could concievably move ahead of both the #1 and #2 team, especially in terms of regular season wins.
4) OKC: I love Collison here, but he doesn't really compare to Deron Williams or Russell Westbrook. I also love Sefolosha, but I don't know how much his defensive ability will count 1)in a division without powerhouse SG's, and 2) on a team without a premier scorer on the wing.
5) Portland: A good team two years from now. Maybe a great one in 5. Portland will eat it up though and this is certainly a team that will be fun to watch if they gel. 

[Who]

To beat the Jazz, I think you need to be able to defend post scorers extremely well + need to be able to make Yao Ming a liability defensively.

A big man like Chris Bosh who has great quickness, the face up game, the range on the jump shot and is excellent in transition would be ideal. A different option would a perimeter big man like Memo Okur who can drag Yao away from the basket.

In addition to man-to-man matchup difficulties, teams can make Yao a liability if they have a deadly pick and roll game and/or are a dangerous fast-breaking team.

A couple of keys to defending the low post -- a high quality low post defender (more the better) + tall long athletic aggressive perimeter defenders who can delay the offense with ball pressure and make post entry passes very difficult + quick athletic perimeter players who can double hard and get back to their man in time.

Unfortunately for Jazz opponents, Utah has a 6-3 PG, a 6-9 SG and a 6-10 SF that they can turn to in making those post entry passes. So a lot of the time they'll be able to pass over the top of defenders. And with Calderon and Gallinari they have two excellent shooters who can stretch the floor + two good shooters in Casspi and Wesley. Making it difficult for double down off of them. The Jazz also have a seven foot Pau Gasol who can shift to the high post and make the entry pass himself.

[The Walker Wiggle]

While we're on break, I'd appreciate some constructive criticism of my team.

PG: T. Parker, R. Sessions
SG: O.J. Mayo, A. Afflalo
SF: D. Granger
PF: B. Diaw, J.J. Hickson, J. Jerebko
C:  S. Dalembert, Z. Pachulia

Once again making good on my promise to respond in kind to all feedback on the New and Improved Orleans Bucs. (Offer still stands.)

Both last nights trade and this mornings helped our Divisonal rival. I particularly liked the addition of Boris Diaw. While he certainly wants for a more regimented routine and he's liable to coast for long stretches in game, he remains an outstanding defender who epitomizes that old maxim, "work smarter not harder." Great awareness and footwork, uses his length so well that he's able to guard 1 through 5.

On the other end, he's well recognized as the one of the league's best passing forwards but he's likely also Houston's best low post scorer. He'll only make the game easier for the Rocket's deadly-to-begin-with, 1st and 2nd options Granger and Parker.

Opposing centers will be able to help off Dalembert and Pachulia - and given Houston's top 3 their teammates are going to need it. A havoc wreaking Pachulia at least plays within himself. Dalembert, an ironman (he hasn't missed a game in five seasons), elite shot blocker and strong rebounder, unfortunately overrates his own scoring. He's an unwilling passer who'd rather show off a shaky short jumper, turns the ball over at an alarming rate (17.3) and yet sulks when marginalized on offense.

I love the Rockets deep, highly active, if overly chaotic, front line. Hickson in particular is primed for a breakout.

Concerns: How to limit the team's two best shooters - Granger and Mayo - from settling for the bad 3 point attempts both find so tempting?

[Evantime34]

Denver Nuggets         Gainsville Celtic
-Guards: Russell Westbrook, Ronnie Brewer, Terrance Williams, Steve Blaek
-Forwards: Trevor Ariza, Drew Gooden, Taj Gibson, Josh Childress
-Center: Tim Duncan, Darko Milicic

PG Westbrook/Blake
SG Brewer/Williams
SF Ariza/Childress/
PF Gibson/Gooden/
C Duncan/Milicic

100 Words:
I think that Westbrook is a good person to run this backcourt as long as Ariza manages to regain his shooting form. The thing that worries me is that without a premier scorer at the 2/3 (the traditional 1st or 2nd scorer on a team), who is going to take the burden off of Ariza, who wilted under the pressure this past season? Duncan/Gibson/Gooden/Milicic Is as good a bigs rotation as there is probably, from top to bottom. Other teams have better starters, but 1-4 is one of the best. Childress could surpass Ariza for the starting minutes, but I think Ariza starting will be as much about his own ego (compared with Childress's own balanced temperment) as anything else. I like Blake behind Westbrook and I see Blake playing a lot of minutes at the 2 also, unless Terrance Williams finds some consistency.


Utah Jazz              Donoghus
-Guards: Jose Calderon, Omri Casspi, Danilo Gallinar
-Forwards: Pau Gasol, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Wesley Johnson, Craig Smith
-Centers: Yao Ming, Robin Lopez

PG: Calderon,
SG Omri Casspi/ Gallinari
SF Luc Mbah A Moute/Wesley Johnson
PF Pau Gasol/Craig Smith
C Yao Ming/Robin Lopez

100 Words:
I am no longer a big Calderon fan. I know he can pass the ball, and I know he doesn't turn the ball over, but he doesn't play good defense, and he just can't seem to improve at all. That said, I love Casspi, Gallinari, and Mbah a Moute. In my own vision for this team, Wesley Johnson would start over Mbah a Moute but this isn't my squad. Pau Gasol and Yao Ming as the top starting 4,5 in the division, if not the conference, if not the league. They're going to be a little slow, but that's mostly on Ming's shoulders, not Gasol's. These guys while in the game together will dominate every facet of the post. Casspi, Gallo, Johnson, and Calderon should keep the opposing teams' post defenders honest with their ability from deep. Also love Robin Lopez behind Ming. If Yao isn't ready for training camp, which is a possibility, Lopez can easily start and play as a tough  defender in the post. 

Portland Trailblazers  Jsaad
-Guards: Evan Turner, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Jason Williams
-Forwards: Derrick Favors, Thaddeus Young, Maurice Evans
-Centers: Brook Lopez, Spencer Hawes, Matt Bonner

PG Dragic, Jason WIlliams
SG Turner
SF Thad Young, Evans
PF Favors, Bonner
C Lopez, Hawes

100 Words: This is obviously not a playoff caliber team, and really can't be honestly evaluated until next season (or the season after) when Rubio comes over.  Favors should be inconsistent at best this season, and while Turner should be better, he won't be an all-star or anything close.  I also don't like Young as a SF, I think he's proven that he's more of a tweener with a leaning to 4 than a tweener with a leaning towards the 3. That's the bad news. The good news is that there isn't a younger core in the league that is head and shoulders above this one, and with the addition of Rubio a very good case could be made for team of the future. Brook Lopez is a straight out stud at the center, and Favors/Turner should compliment him well. The record won't look good this season, but the lottery pick could become their starting SF.


Oklahoma City Thunder  Greenbean
-Guards: OJ Mayo, Darren Collison, Thabo Sefolosha, DeMar DeRozan
-Forwards: Jermaine O'Neal, Glen Big Baby Davis
-Center: Chris Kaman, Marreese Speights


PG Darren Collison
SG Sefelosha
SF Butler
PF O'Neal
C Kaman

100 Words:
This team should start Speights. There is no way that Jermaine O'Neal can consistently start at the 4 with that team. Too slow, and honestly too versatile to waste him playing major minutes at the 4. I love Darren Collison, like Thabo Sefelosha, and have cooled a bit on Butler.  I worry about the shooting with Darren Collison being the only consistent shooter out there, I don't know if there will be enough room for Kaman and Speights to operate. The defense on the wings should be excellent, and O'Neal can hold his own. BBD should provide a good burst off the bench, and DeMar Derozan should supplant Thabo as the starter at the 2 within 2 years.

Minnesota Timberwolves Evantime34/Lip413
Guards: Deron Williams, Rodrigue Beaubois, Marquis Daniels
Forwards: Josh Howard, Gordon Hayward, Josh Smith, Brandon Bass
Centers: Brandon Haywood, JaVale McGee

PG Deron Williams/Beaubois
SG Rodrigue Beaubois/Hayward
SF Josh Howard/Hayward
PF Josh Smith/Brandon Bass
C Brandon Haywood/McGee


I like Deron Williams as the reigning "Best PG In the League". Chris Paul might very well steal that honor back this season, but Williams has it now. I also like Roddy B, but not as the starting 2 here. One reason being, he won't be ready for the start of the season. I think Hayward is talented enough now to be a role player at the 2 for a team that should get close to 20 ppg from its PG as it is now anyways. In the frontcourt, I like the idea of Josh Smith on other peoples' teams. I don't quite get him enough to get behind him, but he'll keep your team moving end to end, he'll create a lot of turnovers (and probably commit a fair amount too), and he'll take some ill advised shots. In the end, he'll bring more to the party than he takes away, so that's what really counts. Brandon Bass is a terrific traditional backup to have behind him. I also love McGee behind Haywood, and I think after this year, McGee might be the better player. Josh Howard has a LOT to prove this year. I think he's still got a fair amount of run left in him, and I think he can turn it around. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see if anything happens when knucklehead A (Josh Smith) meets knucklehead B (Josh Howard)

End Judgment:

1) Utah: I like the versatility, and I love the frontcourt. I think Yao's health is a major enough concern though that it keeps them from having HC in the playoffs.
2) Denver: Top to bottom the most talented team in the division, but even Tim Duncan can't compensate for Utah's frontcourt. I love Westbrook here too, especially with long athletic players like Brewer, Williams, Childress, and Ariza.
3) Minny: Deron Williams is the best thing going for this team, and it'll be up to him if they can leapfrog Utah or Denver. If Howard returns to form and Beaubois can quickly return to health to develop a rapport with Deron Williams, this team could concievably move ahead of both the #1 and #2 team, especially in terms of regular season wins.
4) OKC: I love Collison here, but he doesn't really compare to Deron Williams or Russell Westbrook. I also love Sefolosha, but I don't know how much his defensive ability will count 1)in a division without powerhouse SG's, and 2) on a team without a premier scorer on the wing.
5) Portland: A good team two years from now. Maybe a great one in 5. Portland will eat it up though and this is certainly a team that will be fun to watch if they gel. 

Tp for doing all this.

I agree with most your points. You are undervaluing Josh Smith though. How many times has he played with an elite pg? 0. Will he take less ill advised shots playing with Deron Williams than Bibby? Absolutely. Playing next to Deron I expect Smith to have Amare type numbers on offense (a little lower but in the same area). Do you think Amare would average those numbers without Nash? Josh Smith is every bit as athletic as Amare. Amare is a much better shooter, but Smith can make up for those points in offensive rebound put backs. On the back line Smith and Haywood will make people afraid to go in the paint. Then McGee will come in and continue the block party.

Although I think good play from Beaubois puts me in the top spots, the play that I will get from Smith (who is only 24 and should get better) makes my floor 2nd place in the division.

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Tp for doing all this.

I agree with most your points. You are undervaluing Josh Smith though. How many times has he played with an elite pg? 0. Will he take less ill advised shots playing with Deron Williams than Bibby? Absolutely. Playing next to Deron I expect Smith to have Amare type numbers on offense (a little lower but in the same area). Do you think Amare would average those numbers without Nash? Josh Smith is every bit as athletic as Amare. Amare is a much better shooter, but Smith can make up for those points in offensive rebound put backs. On the back line Smith and Haywood will make people afraid to go in the paint. Then McGee will come in and continue the block party.

Although I think good play from Beaubois puts me in the top spots, the play that I will get from Smith (who is only 24 and should get better) makes my floor 2nd place in the division.

I think comparing Josh Smith to AMare is a battle you'll eventually lose. Amare is 6'10, and a center in small ball, a 4 naturally. Smith is a 3/4, always. He's never comfortable anywhere 100%, and he brings different strengths and weaknesses to both positions. I think he's more 4 than 3, but his total lack of post game will always limit his production. Josh Smith didn't play with a top tier pg in Bibby, but he did play with an elite SG in Joe Johnson, and as a SG, Joe is also an elite ball handler.

Also, while I think Deron WIlliams is the most talented PG out there, he's no steve nash when it comes to passing the ball. Steve Nash is like Josh Smith...you can't quite compare him to anyone else in the league, and all you can really say is "whatever issues you have with him as a player, he gives much more to the team than he hurts"

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jgod, check your PM's.

[Lucky17]

While we're on break, I'd appreciate some constructive criticism of my team.

PG: T. Parker, R. Sessions
SG: O.J. Mayo, A. Afflalo
SF: D. Granger, A. Daye
PF: B. Diaw, J.J. Hickson, J. Jerebko
C:  S. Dalembert, Z. Pachulia

Once again making good on my promise to respond in kind to all feedback on the New and Improved Orleans Bucs. (Offer still stands.)

Both last nights trade and this mornings helped our Divisonal rival. I particularly liked the addition of Boris Diaw. While he certainly wants for a more regimented routine and he's liable to coast for long stretches in game, he remains an outstanding defender who epitomizes that old maxim, "work smarter not harder." Great awareness and footwork, uses his length so well that he's able to guard 1 through 5.

On the other end, he's well recognized as the one of the league's best passing forwards but he's likely also Houston's best low post scorer. He'll only make the game easier for the Rocket's deadly-to-begin-with, 1st and 2nd options Granger and Parker.

Opposing centers will be able to help off Dalembert and Pachulia - and given Houston's top 3 their teammates are going to need it. A havoc wreaking Pachulia at least plays within himself. Dalembert, an ironman (he hasn't missed a game in five seasons), elite shot blocker and strong rebounder, unfortunately overrates his own scoring. He's an unwilling passer who'd rather show off a shaky short jumper, turns the ball over at an alarming rate (17.3) and yet sulks when marginalized on offense.

I love the Rockets deep, highly active, if overly chaotic, front line. Hickson in particular is primed for a breakout.

Concerns: How to limit the team's two best shooters - Granger and Mayo - from settling for the bad 3 point attempts both find so tempting?

A TP to our esteemed divisional rival. Thanks, Dubs.

[KCattheStripe]

Thoughts:

Guards: Duhon, Stuckey, Price, Head
Forwards: Amar'e, Gay, Battier , Tolliver
Center: Okafor, Blair

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Thoughts:

Guards: Duhon, Stuckey, Price, Head
Forwards: Amar'e, Gay, Battier , Tolliver
Center: Okafor, Blair

Does it look like this:

PG Stuckey
SG Gay
SF Battier
PF Amare
C OKafor

[KCattheStripe]

Thoughts:

Guards: Duhon, Stuckey, Price, Head
Forwards: Amar'e, Gay, Battier , Tolliver
Center: Okafor, Blair

Does it look like this:

PG Stuckey
SG Gay
SF Battier
PF Amare
C OKafor

Duhon
Stuckey
Gay
Amar'e
Okafor

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You should make it look like mine.

[KCattheStripe]

You should make it look like mine.

Because you hate Duhon?

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You should make it look like mine.

Because you hate Duhon?

Because I hate duhon and because Gay can play the 2.