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Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2010, 02:12:36 PM »

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Birdbrain, I agree.  At the same time,

I don't understand people who think a jumper can be pulled out of a hat.

All we can hope for is gradual improvement.

If he ends up with an average jumper it will be a welcome miracle.

If he ends up shooting free throws at around 75% it'll be another miracle.

I don't understand when people say there's no excuse for not hitting free throws.

He SUCKS at it.  Get over it!  Hope for gradual improvement?  Of course!  That's it!

btw, all signs point to him being an extremely hard worker and a perfectionist.  I'm sure his jumper and ft shooting bug him more than you.....

so it's dumb to assume he doesn't work at it.   You think Rondo likes his ft %?  You think he wants to stand pat where he is?  That would go against everything I've ever learned or experienced about athletes, athletics and competition in general.....


Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2010, 02:14:43 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid.  

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but now he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  If they get worse it is almost always because of mental issues or physical limitations, Rondo has neither.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.
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Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2010, 02:16:01 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid.  


Jason Kidd's jumper got better.
Nah.  Not really.  At 23 he was shooting 40% and 37% from three.  Thats actually a better % than the 2 year stretch he was leading the Nets to the finals.  

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2010, 02:19:30 PM »

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Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place) and guess what it's a good thing cause then he can work on his horrible shooting...  You had to know that would elicit some of question responses.



You obviously misinterpreted my post, and i think you're the only one who did. I said we obviously know that Rondo is a top 5 PG. But would getting cut (which would then be revealed to be specifically because of the reason that he's a poor shooter, which is a fact that can't be debated) further motivate him to improve this aspect of his game more and thus, improve his output? understand now?

Other people got upset because my post implied that he didn't have work ethic, and i can understand that. You got upset because you believe i'm saying that Rondo just isn't good enough for Team USA because of his shooting, which i didn't say nor imply. there's a big difference.

He's going to make the team (if there are still gonna be some cuts). Coz duh, he's one of the best PG's in the league. I'm presenting a what-if scenario.



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Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »

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EVERYONE should be saying "YES" to this.

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2010, 02:21:26 PM »

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Other people got upset because my post implied that he didn't have work ethic, and i can understand that.





I din't get upset, I got correct. :)

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2010, 02:23:10 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2010, 02:26:24 PM »

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Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place) and guess what it's a good thing cause then he can work on his horrible shooting...  You had to know that would elicit some of question responses.



You obviously misinterpreted my post, and i think you're the only one who did. I said we obviously know that Rondo is a top 5 PG. But would getting cut (which would then be revealed to be specifically because of the reason that he's a poor shooter, which is a fact that can't be debated) further motivate him to improve this aspect of his game more and thus, improve his output? understand now?

Other people got upset because my post implied that he didn't have work ethic, and i can understand that. You got upset because you believe i'm saying that Rondo just isn't good enough for Team USA because of his shooting, which i didn't say nor imply. there's a big difference.

He's going to make the team (if there are still gonna be some cuts). Coz duh, he's one of the best PG's in the league. I'm presenting a what-if scenario.



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I saw no Rondo criticism in your post and I still got upset.  Wow.

I like my Celtics rested, but in this case I'm too curious to see how he'll run a team other than the Celts.....

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2010, 02:29:30 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.


You don't think an offensively unbridled Rondo couldn't put up 20+ points?

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2010, 02:32:02 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.


You don't think an offensively unbridled Rondo couldn't put up 20+ points?

Not efficiently.   He's a crap shooter.  He'll stay a crap shooter.

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2010, 02:32:55 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.


You don't think an offensively unbridled Rondo couldn't put up 20+ points?

Not efficiently.   He's a crap shooter.  He'll stay a crap shooter.


It's hard to lay-up your way to inefficiency.

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2010, 02:33:29 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid.  

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title.  

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

Apparently you just blindly use stats and don't watch the games.

Kobe has become a much better player and has also become one of the most clutch players in NBA history, which he was not back at 22. Those "tricks", as you call them, like a post game and jumpshots and all sorts of moves are actually extremely valuable to being a complete offensive player.  And all that was after he stopped playing alongside Shaq, one of the best Centers of all time, who drew a ton of attention away from him and gave him the ability to be open much more often.  He was not the man on those teams, Shaq was.  And this year Kobe has regressed due to injuries, it was not his best year past 22.  He has also become a much smarter player over the years.

For LeBron, playing defense doesn't come up on the stat sheet unless youre stealing or blocking shots, which he does (in the open court I don't remember a more impactful defender, something that he also has added in the last few years btw), but he also plays great individual, straight up on your man defense.  Again, something you have to watch to see, can't just look up stats.  LeBron wasn't making All-NBA defense before man.  And even if his points totals haven't gone up overall his jump shooting is far better than it was.  That's plain to see.

And Rondo is "what he is" as you say, obviously, but he will become a better and better version for the next few years until he hits his prime.
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Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2010, 02:34:10 PM »

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I don't understand people who think a jumper can be pulled out of a hat.

...

If he ends up shooting free throws at around 75% it'll be another miracle.

I don't understand when people say there's no excuse for not hitting free throws.



wanna see the darndest thing?

Jason Kidd's FT%
yr1 - 69.8
yr2 - 69.2
yr3 - 66.7
yr4 - 68.8
yr5 - 79.9!
yr6 - 75.5
yr7 - 82.9

etc. etc... that is a sizeable jump. so it's possible. But it's kinda hard to find a guard who can't shoot FTs in the first place (like Kidd and Parker) so i don't know who else to compare him with.



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Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2010, 02:35:11 PM »

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playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  ???

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.
Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.


You don't think an offensively unbridled Rondo couldn't put up 20+ points?

Not efficiently.   He's a crap shooter.  He'll stay a crap shooter.


It's hard to lay-up your way to inefficiency.

If the point comes where Rondo is the focal-point of our offense... going at 20+ points a night...  I expect teams to gameplan for him and do a better job keeping him out of the paint.  His shooting will always be an issue.  He'll likely always be a terrible shooter.

Re: Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2010, 02:38:30 PM »

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googles rondo hands  :o

found a site says he arms are 6'9" and his hands are about the same size of Yao