Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?

[BballTim]

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

  LeBron was more nba ready when he came into the league than Rondo was as a rookie, and he's got about 3 more years of experience. There's more than just age to consider.

[BballTim]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.

  I doubt many people would agree that there are as many players that peak at 23 as improve from that age.

[BballTim]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better? 

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid. 

Kobe has become much more skilled since he was 22. He used to be mostly a slasher but know he has diversified his game in a ton of ways and has become a much better jump shooter.  He has worked to develop a whole post game and has a variety of unique pivot moves you don't see anyone else use.  If you think Kobe has not gotten better since 22... Idk what to say.  He may have started regressing due to miles and injuries but he got much better after he was 22.

LeBron has become back to back MVP for the last couple of years... so yes he has also gotten better.  He used to be completely unable to shoot and was merely okay on defense but now he is a solid jump shooter and is the best defender at his position in the NBA.

Jason Kidd also used to be a much better defender.  He has become a much, much better shooter late in his career as well.

Players who don't get better are usually an exception to the rule.  I guarentee Rondo will get better, he has shown improvement every year in the league... why would he not continue to improve?  I don't possibly understand your thinking.

Oh Sure... Kobe picked up a few tricks along the way, but at 22 he was a superstar averaging 28.5 points, 5.9 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.7 steals on 46% shooting... helping his team win a title...  which is about even with the 27 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists and 1.5 steals on 46% shooting that he averaged last year when he helped his team win a title. 

You're right on LeBron.  Back-to-Back MVPs at age 24 and 25... while his stats have stayed pretty much identical to what he did at age 23 (when he probably should have won the MVP as well)... Ok?

Disagree on Jason Kidd becoming a "much better shooter".  His shooting % at age 23 is about what he averaged during his years on the Nets.  Maybe you're talking about washed-up Jason Kidd who recently saw his shooting improve when he benefited from a different style.

I'm sure Rondo will get a bit better too.  But I'm not counting on him having any major changes.  He probably is what he is (more or less).  Luckily, he's one of the best point guards in the league.

I don't doubt he'll see small improvements.   But do I believe at any point in his career he'll do what Chris Paul did at age 23?  23 points, 11 assists, 5.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals 50% shooting and 37% from three?  Highly unlikely.  Rondo is 24.  Can't see him making a leap from star to superstar.

You don't think an offensively unbridled Rondo couldn't put up 20+ points?

Not efficiently.   He's a crap shooter.  He'll stay a crap shooter.

  The guy who led all pgs in fg% and is average or better in efg% and points per shot can't score efficiently? I don't think that's the case.

[Birdbrain]

Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place) and guess what it's a good thing cause then he can work on his horrible shooting...  You had to know that would elicit some of question responses.

You obviously misinterpreted my post, and i think you're the only one who did. I said we obviously know that Rondo is a top 5 PG. But would getting cut (which would then be revealed to be specifically because of the reason that he's a poor shooter, which is a fact that can't be debated) further motivate him to improve this aspect of his game more and thus, improve his output? understand now?

Other people got upset because my post implied that he didn't have work ethic, and i can understand that. You got upset because you believe i'm saying that Rondo just isn't good enough for Team USA because of his shooting, which i didn't say nor imply. there's a big difference.

He's going to make the team (if there are still gonna be some cuts). Coz duh, he's one of the best PG's in the league. I'm presenting a what-if scenario.



- LilRip

No your post wasn't that hard to understand and trust me it wasn't a very surprising one either.

if it wasn't hard to understand, then i have no idea why you misinterpreted it.



- LilRip

As I said I understood just that I don't agree with it.

I can see where someone might think he needs the rest though.  But no it makes no sense that you think he should be cut to work on his shooting.

- my name

[wdleehi]

I want him on that team making contacts and telling everyone how great it is to play in Boston.



I want these players to fall in love with playing with Rondo instead of against him.

[lon3lytoaster]

I want him on that team making contacts and telling everyone how great it is to play in Boston.



I want these players to fall in love with playing with Rondo instead of against him.

Well let's hope he kind of puts his stubborn attitude on the backburner for a couple weeks. I think we've all heard the stories of teammates hating to play with Rondo at first..

But everyone on the team seems to love him now, so who knows?

[Greenbean]

Maybe he'll be able to recruit some players to come to Boston after 2012 if he sticks around this summer.   

Or alienate them...he's not great at first impressions!

[guava_wrench]

googles rondo hands 

found a site says he arms are 6'9" and his hands are about the same size of Yao

That is a great comparison since Yao is a very good FT shooter.

Except Rondo's arms and hands are disproportionate to his his body which can mess with balance and release.

Why? It is easy to say that, but why I anyone believe that their is any merit to that argument?

Look at the release Rondo up to before last season. His elbow was out to the side. It seems far more likely that his poor form was an issue and his finger size was irrelevant. He has also focused on parts of his game other that in-game jumpers from his youth.

There are plenty of players with smaller hands than Rondo who have similar jump shot problems.

I think many just underestimate how difficult it is to hit jumpers at a high percentage in a game as physically exhausting as NBA basketball. Rondo can bury jumpers in HORSE, but not in a game where he runs full steam up and down the court.

[guava_wrench]

I want him on that team making contacts and telling everyone how great it is to play in Boston.



I want these players to fall in love with playing with Rondo instead of against him.

Well let's hope he kind of puts his stubborn attitude on the backburner for a couple weeks. I think we've all heard the stories of teammates hating to play with Rondo at first..

But everyone on the team seems to love him now, so who knows?

I think they will all respect the way he communicates on defense.

[Mike-Dub]

No someone made a good point to me that if Rondo doesn't have time especially during this to work on his jumpshot and the weak parts of his game then he never will.  I just hope he doesn't get injured even though he could get injured in drills in Waltham too so I'm glad he made the cut. 

Especially cuz I get to see him in New York now!!!

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Yes, I want him cut. He certainly needs to work on his shooting, but he can do that by himself ... in an empty gym ... where's there's little chance of him getting injured and/or worn out.

[LilRip]

Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place) and guess what it's a good thing cause then he can work on his horrible shooting...  You had to know that would elicit some of question responses.

You obviously misinterpreted my post, and i think you're the only one who did. I said we obviously know that Rondo is a top 5 PG. But would getting cut (which would then be revealed to be specifically because of the reason that he's a poor shooter, which is a fact that can't be debated) further motivate him to improve this aspect of his game more and thus, improve his output? understand now?

Other people got upset because my post implied that he didn't have work ethic, and i can understand that. You got upset because you believe i'm saying that Rondo just isn't good enough for Team USA because of his shooting, which i didn't say nor imply. there's a big difference.

He's going to make the team (if there are still gonna be some cuts). Coz duh, he's one of the best PG's in the league. I'm presenting a what-if scenario.



- LilRip

No your post wasn't that hard to understand and trust me it wasn't a very surprising one either.

if it wasn't hard to understand, then i have no idea why you misinterpreted it.



- LilRip

As I said I understood just that I don't agree with it.

I can see where someone might think he needs the rest though.  But no it makes no sense that you think he should be cut to work on his shooting.

- my name

oh please, don't be a revisionist. that might work if were just conversing but what you said before is on written record. to quote you "Ugh no I don't want rondo cut because of his lack jumper.  Those that want Rondo to be a player he's not will always undervalue him."

to quote you again: "Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place)"

at which point i said, to quote me: "You got upset because you believe i'm saying that Rondo just isn't good enough for Team USA because of his shooting, which i didn't say nor imply. there's a big difference."

if you don't think him getting cut might help him, then that's your opinion. And that's pretty much the reason why we're all on this board. to share opinions. but as we can see, that wasn't what you were saying during your original posts anyway.



- LilRip

[Celtics4ever]

James might have more ability and talent than Rondo but Rondo has more heart and desire to win than LeBron ever will have.  Rondo cares about winning, LeBron cares about the global product and not looking bad.