Did anyone else wanna see Rondo get cut?

[KCattheStripe]

There are definitely multiple things that Rondo works on in the offseason, one of them being shooting. It is hard to evaluate his effort without being able to compare to players who managed to go from being very bad shooters to decent.

I think it's pretty easy to evaluate his effort when he has such a glaring hole and yet no one, not a teammate, coach or GM, has ever complained about his work ethic.

and yet, when Sheed is out of shape, i don't recall anyone calling him out on it either. Of course, we as fans recognize it because we can see his "out-of-shapedness". but i just dont think it's in the Celtics culture to call out players in the media. not saying that RR doesn't work on his jumper coz i'm sure he does, but all i'm saying is that your point may not be as rock solid as you think it is.



- LilRip

  Rondo's been called out for his stubbornness and his ouside shooting. It's not like they treat him with kid gloves.

 I mean seriously, he was almost traded last summer because of his stubbornness. Doc called him out for that failed team meeting.  This stuff happens all the time.

[LilRip]

There are definitely multiple things that Rondo works on in the offseason, one of them being shooting. It is hard to evaluate his effort without being able to compare to players who managed to go from being very bad shooters to decent.

I think it's pretty easy to evaluate his effort when he has such a glaring hole and yet no one, not a teammate, coach or GM, has ever complained about his work ethic.

and yet, when Sheed is out of shape, i don't recall anyone calling him out on it either. Of course, we as fans recognize it because we can see his "out-of-shapedness". but i just dont think it's in the Celtics culture to call out players in the media. not saying that RR doesn't work on his jumper coz i'm sure he does, but all i'm saying is that your point may not be as rock solid as you think it is.



- LilRip

  Rondo's been called out for his stubbornness and his ouside shooting. It's not like they treat him with kid gloves.

if i recall right, this is when contract negotiations were ongoing. and if i recall right, the statements weren't made in the nature of calling him out. Just saying that he's not a top PG, in an effort to drive his price down. at least, that's how it came off to me.



- LilRip

[35Lewis]

Rondo's work ethic is never challenged by coaches because he has a good work ethic!  Unbelievable that anyone would question Rondo's work ethic and confuse his demeanor on the court with lack of caring or effort.  The guy hired a shooting coach last summer while still on his rookie salary (even though it is still millions).  The guy has made great strides in his jumpshot and his free throws were better in the post season than they were at the beginning of the year.

He will improve but nobody will ever confuse him with Ray Allen at the free throw line.

[KCattheStripe]

Rondo's work ethic is never challenged by coaches because he has a good work ethic!  Unbelievable that anyone would question Rondo's work ethic and confuse his demeanor on the court with lack of caring or effort.  The guy hired a shooting coach last summer while still on his rookie salary (even though it is still millions).  The guy has made great strides in his jumpshot and his free throws were better in the post season than they were at the beginning of the year.

He will improve but nobody will ever confuse him with Ray Allen at the free throw line.

Unless he puts on his Ray Allen mask.

[Snakehead]

All this assumes he doesn't already work on it constantly and that it's laziness that's holding him back, not his freakish fingers or confidence. I have never once heard a report that a coach said that Rondo was too stubborn to work at his game, just that sometimes he was too stubborn to listen to how to run a play or how to be a leader. I have never seen his work -ethic questioned, and when someone ha a glaring a hole as Rondo's jumper and no one is calling him on not working hard enough then you know he already has a fire lit under him.

I will never buy the long fingers argument. There are plenty of big men with long fingers who shoot very well. Rondo has large fingers for his height, but are they larger than all the big men who are good shooters?

There are definitely multiple things that Rondo works on in the offseason, one of them being shooting. It is hard to evaluate his effort without being able to compare to players who managed to go from being very bad shooters to decent.

People use the long fingers excuse for Shaq, but I've read claims that KG has longer fingers and he is an excellent perimeter shooter. Would be nice to know actual measurements

It's confidence and repetition.

But I also actually think he made progress last year (which it appears some don't) so I think it's only a matter of time before he becomes what some would call decent.

I agree with the confidence but the numbers show the same or even worse shooting from him.

Regardless of his jumper, the dude needs to be able to shoot FTs.  There is just no excuse for him to not.

I think he'll benefit from playing with good players on Team USA.  He can maybe make some beneficial connections for our post big three team and I think the coaching and input from other players will help him.  

Just watching how other stars play, think, and prepare from a teammate angle can help.  With the "Redeem Team", all the younger stars got a big boost from playing with eachother and watching older stars like Kobe work in the gym.  This team is obviously not as talented and doesn't have as many veterans but I think there will still be positives to be taken for a young player like Rondo. The team is stacked with young PGs right now so playing alongside and against them has to be giving him something to take away from the experience.  Billups is a good guy to watch and learn from.

[LilRip]

Rondo's work ethic is never challenged by coaches because he has a good work ethic!  Unbelievable that anyone would question Rondo's work ethic and confuse his demeanor on the court with lack of caring or effort.  The guy hired a shooting coach last summer while still on his rookie salary (even though it is still millions).  The guy has made great strides in his jumpshot and his free throws were better in the post season than they were at the beginning of the year.

He will improve but nobody will ever confuse him with Ray Allen at the free throw line.

jeez, i'm not attacking Rondo. I never said he had poor work ethic. People are forming conclusions in their head within reading the first few sentences of the opening post and running with it.

He's made strides, that much i can agree with. But i don't know if it's "great strides". I'm just wondering if being cut from the USA team would've helped him in developing his shot. i'm not expecting Ray Allen-like 90%. But is 70% Tony Parker-esque too much to ask?

(Oh, and he shot very poorly in the playoffs.)



- LilRip

[KCattheStripe]

Rondo's work ethic is never challenged by coaches because he has a good work ethic!  Unbelievable that anyone would question Rondo's work ethic and confuse his demeanor on the court with lack of caring or effort.  The guy hired a shooting coach last summer while still on his rookie salary (even though it is still millions).  The guy has made great strides in his jumpshot and his free throws were better in the post season than they were at the beginning of the year.

He will improve but nobody will ever confuse him with Ray Allen at the free throw line.

jeez, i'm not attacking Rondo. I never said he had poor work ethic. People are forming conclusions in their head within reading the first few sentences of the opening post and running with it.

He's made strides, that much i can agree with. But i don't know if it's "great strides". I'm just wondering if being cut from the USA team would've helped him in developing his shot. i'm not expecting Ray Allen-like 90%. But is 70% Tony Parker-esque too much to ask?

(Oh, and he shot very poorly in the playoffs.)



- LilRip

This idea supposes that he needed a fire lit under him, which means he didn't have one already which is what posters ( myself the most adamantly) are objecting to.

[LarBrd33]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

[Snakehead]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better? 

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

[LilRip]

Rondo's work ethic is never challenged by coaches because he has a good work ethic!  Unbelievable that anyone would question Rondo's work ethic and confuse his demeanor on the court with lack of caring or effort.  The guy hired a shooting coach last summer while still on his rookie salary (even though it is still millions).  The guy has made great strides in his jumpshot and his free throws were better in the post season than they were at the beginning of the year.

He will improve but nobody will ever confuse him with Ray Allen at the free throw line.

jeez, i'm not attacking Rondo. I never said he had poor work ethic. People are forming conclusions in their head within reading the first few sentences of the opening post and running with it.

He's made strides, that much i can agree with. But i don't know if it's "great strides". I'm just wondering if being cut from the USA team would've helped him in developing his shot. i'm not expecting Ray Allen-like 90%. But is 70% Tony Parker-esque too much to ask?

(Oh, and he shot very poorly in the playoffs.)



- LilRip

This idea supposes that he needed a fire lit under him, which means he didn't have one already which is what posters ( myself the most adamantly) are objecting to.

then i guess i should've stated it as "added motivation to his already motivated self" which would've been more accurate but ugly as hell to read. I just felt that there'd be more incentive to do one thing if that helps you achieve something that matters to you. not just a "reward" like having a 70% in your statsheet but an actual reward. in Rondo's case, getting accepted into team USA (because Rondo's been winning plenty in the NBA with the current Celtics squad even with his poor shot). Obviously, this has been met with various viewpoints in the thread.

But anyway, fair enough.



- LilRip

[Birdbrain]

He's already gotten better and will continue to improve the more confidence he gets. His form is already light years better than previous years.  Next step is confidence.  FT% is almost all repetition so that's bound to go up just by playing more.  So with that you should want him to make the team to make sure he still putting in the time against good competition.


Also don't act surprised when people take issue with you make a post that basically says you think Rondo's a horrible shooter and that's why he won't make the team (not true in the first place) and guess what it's a good thing cause then he can work on his horrible shooting...  You had to know that would elicit some of question responses.

[Birdbrain]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better? 

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

They don't if they are on the Celtics.  I mean of course they do that's just silly.

[Birdbrain]

All this assumes he doesn't already work on it constantly and that it's laziness that's holding him back, not his freakish fingers or confidence. I have never once heard a report that a coach said that Rondo was too stubborn to work at his game, just that sometimes he was too stubborn to listen to how to run a play or how to be a leader. I have never seen his work -ethic questioned, and when someone ha a glaring a hole as Rondo's jumper and no one is calling him on not working hard enough then you know he already has a fire lit under him.

I will never buy the long fingers argument. There are plenty of big men with long fingers who shoot very well. Rondo has large fingers for his height, but are they larger than all the big men who are good shooters?

There are definitely multiple things that Rondo works on in the offseason, one of them being shooting. It is hard to evaluate his effort without being able to compare to players who managed to go from being very bad shooters to decent.

People use the long fingers excuse for Shaq, but I've read claims that KG has longer fingers and he is an excellent perimeter shooter. Would be nice to know actual measurements

It's confidence and repetition.

But I also actually think he made progress last year (which it appears some don't) so I think it's only a matter of time before he becomes what some would call decent.

I agree with the confidence but the numbers show the same or even worse shooting from him.

Disagree with your interpretation.  Although you have to look a bit deeper than just plane FG% and FT%.

[LarBrd33]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better?  

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid.  

This is what bugs me when I talk to my Boston homer friend who thinks you absolutely could never trade Rondo for Chris Paul (despite the fact Paul owns Rondo in every statistical category), because "Rondo has sooo much potential and WILL be better than Chris Paul".   He will?  Lol.   Rondo is 24... Chris Paul is 25.  Give me a break.

[KCattheStripe]

playing with and against that collection of talent is good for him.  If he wasn't playing there he'd just be playing pickup games with lesser talent.  I'd say it could only help him improve...

But I think at Rondo's age... he is what he is.  I don't see him getting any better.  His stats might go up when the big 3 retire and he takes a bigger role.  But he's 24 now.  He's like the same age as LeBron.

24 year old players don't get any better? 

Rondo will certainly improve.  If he will improve his shooting remains to be seen.

Who knows, really... for every Steve Nash there is a Tracy McGrady who peaked at 23 and went down hill from there.  LeBron hasn't changed much the last few years.  Kobe's been the same player since age 22. Jason Kidd at 22 was about the same as Jason Kidd at 28/29 leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals.

Seems unrealistic to expect a major jump in his game.  He's 24 years old.  24 isn't a kid.  

Jason Kidd's jumper got better.