What could we realistically be offering for Rudy Fernandez?(UPDATE on 1st page)

[hpantazo]

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

Yeah.  Bird in hand and all.  I'm guessing that if this Fernandez thing can't get done by early next week, Danny will move on.  My guess is it'd be Delonte at that point (if Minny let's him go).

why not get both Delonte and Rudy? Delonte would be at the vet min, and Rudy's contract is dirt cheap. We can certainly use both of them, there is no guarantee that Daniels makes it through a full season, and Ray and Paul need to cut down their minutes.

[lon3lytoaster]

It doesn't look like Portland are going to do much better than a future first round pick. It's just a question of which team offering is likely to have the highest pick.

I would place Boston in the 18-23 range. That is okay but not great. They'll be easy enough to out-bid.

Really? Apparently, Rudy only wants the Bulls, Celtics or Knicks (I think) I can't see NY being a real player for him and I'm not sure if Chicago will have a much better pick than us.

I also don't think we can afford to let Chicago get him for nothing. They already beat us to Ronnie Brewer and I'd rather overpay a little bit just to secure Fernandez. It's almost a no-brainer with the zero risk/huge upside potential of the trade.

Course, they could always go against Rudy's wishes and trade him to a lottery team. Just my two cents, though.

[nickagneta]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

Danny waited months last year trying to do the Marquis Daniels deal in a sign and trade. Why? Because the season doesn't start in August. It starts in October. The only rush here is in the minds of Celtics fans, not in Danny Ainge. He'll be patient and wait out the Blazers for the best deal.

Portland can't afford to keep these guys on their payroll after spending so much on Matthews and Camby and it would be stupid of the GM not to get something for them as Fernandez could just bolt to Europe and Przybilla could just not play and insurance could pay his salary. While that doesn't cost Portland anything, it doesn't get them anything either.

Patience is key in optimizing deals especially where a team has to move players. My guess is by mid August, Portland blinks and gives Rudy away if someone doesn't crash in to their demands beforehand.

[MBunge]

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

Yeah.  Bird in hand and all.  I'm guessing that if this Fernandez thing can't get done by early next week, Danny will move on.  My guess is it'd be Delonte at that point (if Minny let's him go).

why not get both Delonte and Rudy? Delonte would be at the vet min, and Rudy's contract is dirt cheap. We can certainly use both of them, there is no guarantee that Daniels makes it through a full season, and Ray and Paul need to cut down their minutes.

Getting them both would not be a bad idea, but once Boston has one, their need for the other decreases immensely.

Mike

[SCBirdman]

I totally agree with your post as far as having patience. I have been preaching that for weeks now in my posts.

I would not agree to 2 1st rounders. I think that is too high for a center who has injury problems and a guy who may be a value in Rudy, but has still been inconsistent.

I would also want to sign Pryzbilla to a one to two year contract extension before completing the deal. I see the value of saying he has an expiring deal that could be used at the deadline, but I like his game if healthy. He is just what we need for the next two years, to make a serious run.

Having a front court consisting of KG, JO, Perk, BBD and Pryzbilla would really give us the best chance at defeating both Orlando and LA, not to mention Miami Thrice. I also don't want Pryz as a one year rental. IF we sign him to an extension, then if he performs well, we can re-sign him with full bird rights, giving us an advantage in retaining his services.

[hpantazo]

I haven't seen Pryzbilla play much, how's his game? From his stats, his offense looks worse than Perk's.

[Celts17Pride]

Cho is talking to other GMs about PGs depending which deal comes about for Rudy and Przybilla.

Right now the Blazers feel Rudy and Przybilla are worth two 1st round picks if they don't get back a key bench player. Before Joel was hurt he was considered a top 20-25 center in the NBA.

Here are the rumored scenarios from the "Blazers ask" I can figure out from the info:


Boston - assuming if Boston is willing to give up two 1st round picks
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to Boston
$8.6M - Jerryd Bayless, Rasheed Wallace and Boston's 2011 1st round pick
$8.6M - Darren Collison, James Posey, Tony Gaffney & Boston 2013 1st round pick

New York - assuming NY is willing to give up Anthony Randolph
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to NY Knicks
$7.1M - Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham, Ronnie Turiaf & *$3M to New Orleans
$9.8M - Darren Collison, Anthony Randolph & James Posey to Portland
*$3M is supposed to help subsidize Turiaf's salary.

Personally as a Blazer fan I would hope for a New York deal of Randolph, which is unlikely.

http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rumor-portland-working-trade-today-t3494-45.html

Again, I know nothing about this guy.

[Kane3387]

Cho is talking to other GMs about PGs depending which deal comes about for Rudy and Przybilla.

Right now the Blazers feel Rudy and Przybilla are worth two 1st round picks if they don't get back a key bench player. Before Joel was hurt he was considered a top 20-25 center in the NBA.

Here are the rumored scenarios from the "Blazers ask" I can figure out from the info:


Boston - assuming if Boston is willing to give up two 1st round picks
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to Boston
$8.6M - Jerryd Bayless, Rasheed Wallace and Boston's 2011 1st round pick
$8.6M - Darren Collison, James Posey, Tony Gaffney & Boston 2013 1st round pick

New York - assuming NY is willing to give up Anthony Randolph
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to NY Knicks
$7.1M - Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham, Ronnie Turiaf & *$3M to New Orleans
$9.8M - Darren Collison, Anthony Randolph & James Posey to Portland
*$3M is supposed to help subsidize Turiaf's salary.

Personally as a Blazer fan I would hope for a New York deal of Randolph, which is unlikely.

http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rumor-portland-working-trade-today-t3494-45.html

Again, I know nothing about this guy.

NY Trade wouldn't be able to happen for a while because Randolph and Turiaf can't be included in trades with other players since they were just recently traded right?

[Chris]

Cho is talking to other GMs about PGs depending which deal comes about for Rudy and Przybilla.

Right now the Blazers feel Rudy and Przybilla are worth two 1st round picks if they don't get back a key bench player. Before Joel was hurt he was considered a top 20-25 center in the NBA.

Here are the rumored scenarios from the "Blazers ask" I can figure out from the info:


Boston - assuming if Boston is willing to give up two 1st round picks
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to Boston
$8.6M - Jerryd Bayless, Rasheed Wallace and Boston's 2011 1st round pick
$8.6M - Darren Collison, James Posey, Tony Gaffney & Boston 2013 1st round pick

New York - assuming NY is willing to give up Anthony Randolph
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to NY Knicks
$7.1M - Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham, Ronnie Turiaf & *$3M to New Orleans
$9.8M - Darren Collison, Anthony Randolph & James Posey to Portland
*$3M is supposed to help subsidize Turiaf's salary.

Personally as a Blazer fan I would hope for a New York deal of Randolph, which is unlikely.

http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rumor-portland-working-trade-today-t3494-45.html

Again, I know nothing about this guy.

I bought the first rumor at least a little, but this just turned into a trade machine rumor IMO.  He sounds like Portland's version of MatthewDHume.

[MBunge]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

Danny waited months last year trying to do the Marquis Daniels deal in a sign and trade. Why? Because the season doesn't start in August. It starts in October. The only rush here is in the minds of Celtics fans, not in Danny Ainge. He'll be patient and wait out the Blazers for the best deal.

Portland can't afford to keep these guys on their payroll after spending so much on Matthews and Camby and it would be stupid of the GM not to get something for them as Fernandez could just bolt to Europe and Przybilla could just not play and insurance could pay his salary. While that doesn't cost Portland anything, it doesn't get them anything either.

Patience is key in optimizing deals especially where a team has to move players. My guess is by mid August, Portland blinks and gives Rudy away if someone doesn't crash in to their demands beforehand.

The problem is that Portland doesn't HAVE to move either Rudy or Przybilla.  And given that Boston HAS to have another big and certainly wants another wing, Ainge cannot outwait Portland.  If Portland is insisting that Boston take Przybilla in a deal for Rudy, Ainge can't just twiddle his thumbs until they drop that demand.  Frankly, the more the FA pool dries up, the harder it will become to deal Sheed's contract to any team.  There are few teams that will give up a play just for salary relief, and it'll be even less the fewer options those teams have to replace that player with a FA.

Mike

[Snakehead]

I haven't seen Pryzbilla play much, how's his game? From his stats, his offense looks worse than Perk's.

That's pretty much the case.  He's a solid defender and a good rebounder though.  As your back up C?  That's good.  With all our bigs healthy and him on the team you could also run the better offensive lineup of Jermaine at C and KG at PF like we ran with Sheed if need be.

[Who]

I haven't seen Pryzbilla play much, how's his game? From his stats, his offense looks worse than Perk's.

Very similar to Perkins. Better rebounder (one of the best in the league) + taller/longer.

A quality post defender but not as good as Perk. Overall, his defense is comparable to Perkins though. Possibly a bit better (than Perk's). Offensively, more limited than Perk because Perkins can pass the ball a bit. In terms of scoring, comparable, both are garbage men. Perk is better scorer in when going one-on-one in the post

That was pre-injury though. Przybilla is coming off a potentially career ending injury so his game could be considerably worse when he returns.

[Celts17Pride]

Cho is talking to other GMs about PGs depending which deal comes about for Rudy and Przybilla.

Right now the Blazers feel Rudy and Przybilla are worth two 1st round picks if they don't get back a key bench player. Before Joel was hurt he was considered a top 20-25 center in the NBA.

Here are the rumored scenarios from the "Blazers ask" I can figure out from the info:


Boston - assuming if Boston is willing to give up two 1st round picks
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to Boston
$8.6M - Jerryd Bayless, Rasheed Wallace and Boston's 2011 1st round pick
$8.6M - Darren Collison, James Posey, Tony Gaffney & Boston 2013 1st round pick

New York - assuming NY is willing to give up Anthony Randolph
$8.7M - Rudy Fernandez & Joel Przybilla to NY Knicks
$7.1M - Jerryd Bayless, Dante Cunningham, Ronnie Turiaf & *$3M to New Orleans
$9.8M - Darren Collison, Anthony Randolph & James Posey to Portland
*$3M is supposed to help subsidize Turiaf's salary.

Personally as a Blazer fan I would hope for a New York deal of Randolph, which is unlikely.

http://www.clubblazers.com/blazers-discussion/rumor-portland-working-trade-today-t3494-45.html

Again, I know nothing about this guy.

I bought the first rumor at least a little, but this just turned into a trade machine rumor IMO.  He sounds like Portland's version of MatthewDHume.

All I can tell you is Blazers fans from 2 forums stand by this guy. What does it mean? Who knows? He has said all along that Portland would be moving Sheed for a young PG. Always a 3 team deal.

[timepiece33]

I don't see Pryzbilla being worth a first round pick.  Guy is coming off a major injury.  IMO, his salary is a detriment.  I'd take it to clear "cap space" for them, but that's about it.   

Otherwise, I'm fine with trying to acquire Fernandez with either a first round pick or Bradley.   

[Who]

It doesn't look like Portland are going to do much better than a future first round pick. It's just a question of which team offering is likely to have the highest pick.

I would place Boston in the 18-23 range. That is okay but not great. They'll be easy enough to out-bid.

Really? Apparently, Rudy only wants the Bulls, Celtics or Knicks (I think) I can't see NY being a real player for him and I'm not sure if Chicago will have a much better pick than us.

I also don't think we can afford to let Chicago get him for nothing. They already beat us to Ronnie Brewer and I'd rather overpay a little bit just to secure Fernandez. It's almost a no-brainer with the zero risk/huge upside potential of the trade.

Course, they could always go against Rudy's wishes and trade him to a lottery team. Just my two cents, though.

I wouldn't pay any attention to Rudy's preferences. I think they're meaningless.

As for Chicago, their pick will likely be in the same ball park as the Celtics. In that 18-23 range. I don't think the Bulls can out-bid Boston ... unless Portland wants to take a shot on Carlos Boozer getting injured again.