What could we realistically be offering for Rudy Fernandez?(UPDATE on 1st page)

[Fafnir]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt it'll affect any potential fit for Rudy coming here.

[Who]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

Yeah, I think it's a sign that Danny wasn't able to find a deal he was willing to do for Rudy.

The price must have been too high.

[nickagneta]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

Yeah, I think it's a sign that Danny wasn't able to find a deal he was willing to do for Rudy.

The price must have been too high.

Well, Wafer is a minimum deal and has had some injury problems over the last 18 months or so, so I don't think he's a 100% sure thing to be a rotational player.

[SCBirdman]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt it'll affect any potential fit for Rudy coming here.

I hope you are correct sir. Hopefully Wafer's deal is non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed. At any rate, I still want Pryz and Rudy.

[Who]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

Yeah, I think it's a sign that Danny wasn't able to find a deal he was willing to do for Rudy.

The price must have been too high.

Well, Wafer is a minimum deal and has had some injury problems over the last 18 months or so, so I don't think he's a 100% sure thing to be a rotational player.

Yeah, I don't think Von Wafer will stop Danny from acquiring a player of Rudy's abilities ... I just think this is a signal that there was no deal to be made.

That Danny couldn't find a mutually agreeable trade proposal with the Blazers.

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In other words, it doesn't effect it ... I just think it's a signal that it won't happen.

That Danny is looking at alternative options now.

Von Wafer being the cheap no risk placement holder variety.

[Rashi]

Well I hope Von's signing doesn't affect whether we get Rudy or not.

Hopefully the C's will still try to get Rudy + Joel for Sheed's contract and a pick.

If that doesn't work then I guess Sheed's contract for Shaq and Parker/Moon.  

[wdleehi]

Well I hope Von's signing doesn't affect whether we get Rudy or not.

Hopefully the C's will still try to get Rudy + Joel for Sheed's contract and a pick.

If that doesn't work then I guess Sheed's contract for Shaq and Parker/Moon.  

I don't think so.   I think he is more insurance and a waiting piece. 


Someone that can fill a role as a shooter off the bench until a better replacement is brought in. 

And it didn't take any of the trade resources to do it.

[Rashi]

Well I hope Von's signing doesn't affect whether we get Rudy or not.

Hopefully the C's will still try to get Rudy + Joel for Sheed's contract and a pick.

If that doesn't work then I guess Sheed's contract for Shaq and Parker/Moon.  

I don't think so.   I think he is more insurance and a waiting piece. 


Someone that can fill a role as a shooter off the bench until a better replacement is brought in. 

And it didn't take any of the trade resources to do it.

I guess your right about the insurance part, and for the min the Von signing can't hurt us.

[Fan from VT]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt that this would stand in the way. I agree with others...this is a no-risk signing IN CASE we can't get another shooter, but this would in no way stop Ainge from getting Rudy and pushing Wafer further back in the depth chart. He's to big a question mark to bank on and pass up a legit rotation player.

I like the wafer signing though.




How about Glen Davis and a 2nd rounder for Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham?

[Bankshot]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt that this would stand in the way. I agree with others...this is a no-risk signing IN CASE we can't get another shooter, but this would in no way stop Ainge from getting Rudy and pushing Wafer further back in the depth chart. He's to big a question mark to bank on and pass up a legit rotation player.

I like the wafer signing though.




How about Glen Davis and a 2nd rounder for Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham?

Why is everybody so willing to give up Davis?

[Change]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt that this would stand in the way. I agree with others...this is a no-risk signing IN CASE we can't get another shooter, but this would in no way stop Ainge from getting Rudy and pushing Wafer further back in the depth chart. He's to big a question mark to bank on and pass up a legit rotation player.

I like the wafer signing though.




How about Glen Davis and a 2nd rounder for Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham?

Why is everybody so willing to give up Davis?

Aren't you glad Ainge is the GM? Baby is Celtics best bench player. And part time starter when his number is called. Meanwhile, Rudy is a non-rotation player in freaking Portland. A team that made to the finals (6minutes away), versus a team that barely makes the playoffs and goes home early.

[Mike-Dub]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

Yeah, I think it's a sign that Danny wasn't able to find a deal he was willing to do for Rudy.

The price must have been too high.

Well, Wafer is a minimum deal and has had some injury problems over the last 18 months or so, so I don't think he's a 100% sure thing to be a rotational player.

Yeah, I don't think Von Wafer will stop Danny from acquiring a player of Rudy's abilities ... I just think this is a signal that there was no deal to be made.

That Danny couldn't find a mutually agreeable trade proposal with the Blazers.

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In other words, it doesn't effect it ... I just think it's a signal that it won't happen.

That Danny is looking at alternative options now.

Von Wafer being the cheap no risk placement holder variety.

It could stop getting Danny from getting Delonte though and I really wanted Delonte and Rudy before I heard we were getting Wafer.  I would still love to have all three of them though, give Wafer a real small role, but I really doubt Danny does that and don't really blame him.

[Fan from VT]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt that this would stand in the way. I agree with others...this is a no-risk signing IN CASE we can't get another shooter, but this would in no way stop Ainge from getting Rudy and pushing Wafer further back in the depth chart. He's to big a question mark to bank on and pass up a legit rotation player.

I like the wafer signing though.




How about Glen Davis and a 2nd rounder for Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham?

Why is everybody so willing to give up Davis?

Aren't you glad Ainge is the GM? Baby is Celtics best bench player. And part time starter when his number is called. Meanwhile, Rudy is a non-rotation player in freaking Portland. A team that made to the finals (6minutes away), versus a team that barely makes the playoffs and goes home early.

Baby's a good player. Not very good, not great, he's good. Our team is FAR from perfect and is definitely capable of being upgraded.

Over the last 3 years we have had one of the very best teams in the NBA, and one consistency has been that our starters are really really good...way better vs. competition than our bench. Our starters are our meal ticket. Let's not confuse the fact that Davis is a decent bench player behind a fantastic starting unit with the fact he's untradeable.

I'm willing to "give" him away (of course clearly it's not give, it's trade, for multiple pieces to deepen the bench) because, since our starters are the C's mealticket, the bench is adjustible. I think people give way too much of the Celtics' team success to bit role players; there's lots of players in the league that can do what Davis does and do it better.

However, he's a good player, and he's pretty cheap, so he could be enticing for other teams.

So yeah, I'd probably give him (along with a pick) up for Rudy (a misused player in Portland, but a pretty good one) and two young PF's (both of whom have been more productive on an individual level in their first NBA seasons than Davis has been in any of his; it's not their fault their starters aren't as good as Boston's).

[snively]

Now that the Celtics signed Wafer, does that mean no Rudy?

I doubt that this would stand in the way. I agree with others...this is a no-risk signing IN CASE we can't get another shooter, but this would in no way stop Ainge from getting Rudy and pushing Wafer further back in the depth chart. He's to big a question mark to bank on and pass up a legit rotation player.

I like the wafer signing though.




How about Glen Davis and a 2nd rounder for Fernandez, Pendergraph, Cunningham?

Why is everybody so willing to give up Davis?

Aren't you glad Ainge is the GM? Baby is Celtics best bench player. And part time starter when his number is called. Meanwhile, Rudy is a non-rotation player in freaking Portland. A team that made to the finals (6minutes away), versus a team that barely makes the playoffs and goes home early.

Rudy has been a rotation player for two straight years.  The only reason he's not a rotation player right now is because he's in a feud with Nate McMillan and the Blazers decided to go with Nate instead of catering to Rudy.

That said, I'd only include Baby in the trade if Przybilla was coming back.  There just isn't enough big man quality available for the vet min to go big for small in a trade right now.

[billysan]

As far as signing Von Wafer signaling anything, is he even on a guaranteed contract? I would think with a fringe player like him who has a recent injury history, this would have to be a 'make good' deal. That still leaves the door open for Rudy or Delonte if Danny wants them. I would be willing bet that Delonte gets a 'make good' deal as well with his recent problems.