What could we realistically be offering for Rudy Fernandez?(UPDATE on 1st page)

[nickagneta]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick. 


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C. 

People have lost their minds with this Rudy Fernandez stuff. Portland is asking too much for a non-rotation player. Here are guys traded for 2 1st round picks, KG, Lebron, Pau, Boozer, Bosh, Kidd........  Celtics could use his service but its not dire. More dire needs are backup SF, And backup Center. And who knows whats up with Joel Przybilla? For all we know, his career could be over after two consecutive knee surgeries.

How is Rudy not a rotation player?

When were LeBron and Bosh ever traded?  None of those other guys were just traded for draft picks.

LeBron's  and Bosh's deals were sign and trades in which Toronto and Cleveland received huge trade exceptions and multiple first round picks.

[StartOrien]

Article on Ball Dont Lie about Rudy Fernandez:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Teams-should-try-to-trade-for-Rudy-Fernandez?urn=nba-259071

[wdleehi]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick. 


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C. 

People have lost their minds with this Rudy Fernandez stuff. Portland is asking too much for a non-rotation player. Here are guys traded for 2 1st round picks, KG, Lebron, Pau, Boozer, Bosh, Kidd........  Celtics could use his service but its not dire. More dire needs are backup SF, And backup Center. And who knows whats up with Joel Przybilla? For all we know, his career could be over after two consecutive knee surgeries.

How is Rudy not a rotation player?

When were LeBron and Bosh ever traded?  None of those other guys were just traded for draft picks.

I would say he is a rotational player.


2 draft picks is reserved for stars.  Not rotational players.  Especially when they are forcing hands by threatening to go to Spain.  

[LilRip]

I haven't seen recent articles on his recovery, but it seems doubtful he'd be ready for the start of the season.  FWIW, here it is:  http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/3/8/1362664/joel-przybilla-the-day-after

to quote a couple of quotes from your article:

"A doctor I spoke to today speculated that Joel would be out for all of the 2010-11 season, which is the final year of his contract, assuming he picks up his player option this summer"

"Although McMillan and other Trail Blazers officials didn't want to speculate on when Przybilla might be able to return, the injury could be career threatening for Przybilla, 30, who has one more season left on his contract at $7.4 million. "

not good things.



- LilRip

I still do the trade if it's only 1 first (not to say that your post was contrary to this). We would be giving up a first and non guaranteed contracts for a good young player and an expiring contract who could retire.

yeah, i would do the trade too. I think Rudy Fernandez would really help the team. I was just posting quotes to tell those people who are still enamored with the prospect of getting Pryzbilla as a serviceable big not to get their hopes too up. He may possibly never play again. We don't know.



- LilRip

[LilRip]

Article on Ball Dont Lie about Rudy Fernandez:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Teams-should-try-to-trade-for-Rudy-Fernandez?urn=nba-259071

to quote a quote from the BDL article:

"And yet, this is where I throw all this stuff out. All this actual documentation of how things actually went down with him on the court. All this proof we have, spread out over 3700 NBA minutes during the regular and postseason.
Because, if it's not his game that he's playing, how can we criticize him for not playing it well?"

interesting insight from KD.



- LilRip

[Change]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick. 


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C. 

People have lost their minds with this Rudy Fernandez stuff. Portland is asking too much for a non-rotation player. Here are guys traded for 2 1st round picks, KG, Lebron, Pau, Boozer, Bosh, Kidd........  Celtics could use his service but its not dire. More dire needs are backup SF, And backup Center. And who knows whats up with Joel Przybilla? For all we know, his career could be over after two consecutive knee surgeries.

How is Rudy not a rotation player?

When were LeBron and Bosh ever traded?  None of those other guys were just traded for draft picks.

Heat get James, Bosh in sign-and-trade deals

In Portland Rudy is non-rotation player. They just gave Wesley Mathews buttload of Cash to be backup SG/SF. Nicolas Batum is their starting SF along side Brandon Roy. And drafted Luke Babbitt for the future.

[MBunge]

The intriguing thing about Rudy is that Boston badly needs more 3 point shooting and he could really change the offensive chemistry of the 2nd unit.  They could run a lot of Ray's sets for Rudy, which would help stablize a lineup that right now has only one above-average shot creator (Nate).

Mike

[nickagneta]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

[Evantime34]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

It's a shame there hasn't been an article recently about how he's doing. Some Boston writer should interview him.

[MBunge]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

[billysan]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

Absolutely agree. If they wait too long though, Rudy bolts for Europe.

I dont think the Knicks are serious players here unless they get out cheap. They already have guys that can fill this shooters role. Of course, they or the Celtics could just sign Eddie House if they wanted only a 3 pt shooter. Obviously Rudy is valued a little higher if there are draft picks and stuff involved to make it happen.

Also, just wanted to point out that Gaffney and Lafayette are on non guaranteed contracts. This is the true filler, if needed, to make the deal palatable for Portland. Just waive them and combined with Sheeds contract and cash this has decent payroll savings value along with a first rounder.

[nickagneta]

My guess is that Portland does not want to get stuck with Fernandez and Przybilla. They have already spent over $20 million next year in replacing them with Marcus Camby and Wes Matthews.

But the new GM thinks he needs to make a name for himself and he is going to patiently wait for someone to blink before acquiescing to lower offers. If he can somehow get Wilson Chandler or Anthony Randolph out of New York for Fernandez, he will probably hold onto Przybilla and dump him at the trade deadline or hold him out all season and let the insurance pay for him.

But if New York doesn't give in to his demands, I think he knows all he has to say is yes to Boston on a 1st and 2nd and Wallace's cap relief retiring contract and it's a done deal to move Przybilla and Fernandez.

At this point, it's a waiting game.

It's a shame there hasn't been an article recently about how he's doing. Some Boston writer should interview him.

The operation was in March so my guess is he's probably only two months or so out of the cast he could have been in and might only now be do long walking exercises if he's at that point yet.

Of course this is all guess work but I can't see him being beyond this point in rehab.

[Snakehead]

Can't give up two 1sts.  One of them will be a post big three pick.  


Not for a guy demanding to be traded or he will go back to Spain and a one year rental on an injured C.  

People have lost their minds with this Rudy Fernandez stuff. Portland is asking too much for a non-rotation player. Here are guys traded for 2 1st round picks, KG, Lebron, Pau, Boozer, Bosh, Kidd........  Celtics could use his service but its not dire. More dire needs are backup SF, And backup Center. And who knows whats up with Joel Przybilla? For all we know, his career could be over after two consecutive knee surgeries.

How is Rudy not a rotation player?

When were LeBron and Bosh ever traded?  None of those other guys were just traded for draft picks.

Heat get James, Bosh in sign-and-trade deals

In Portland Rudy is non-rotation player. They just gave Wesley Mathews buttload of Cash to be backup SG/SF. Nicolas Batum is their starting SF along side Brandon Roy. And drafted Luke Babbitt for the future.

They went to Miami via Free Agency, sign and trades were just a way for them to get 6 year contracts.

Obviously they don't want him in their rotation dude, that is why they are trading him away, but that's not a knock on his talents.  For us he is a rotation player and is our first SG off the bench and would also log minutes at SF.  He'd be maybe our best or second best player off the bench (O'Neal would be when Perk comes back)

[Mencius]

Except I doubt that Ainge will wait forever.  Despite his calm public statements, I'm pretty sure Ainge knows he cannot go into training camp with Semih as his backup center and Marquis as his only backup wing.  At some point, whether it's Delonte and Shaq or whoever, Ainge has to make a move.

Mike

Yeah.  Bird in hand and all.  I'm guessing that if this Fernandez thing can't get done by early next week, Danny will move on.  My guess is it'd be Delonte at that point (if Minny let's him go).

[Who]

It doesn't look like Portland are going to do much better than a future first round pick. It's just a question of which team offering is likely to have the highest pick.

I would place Boston in the 18-23 range. That is okay but not great. They'll be easy enough to out-bid.