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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #90 on: July 28, 2010, 10:45:25 AM »

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The luxury tax is around $70MM and the Blazers are around $73MM.  

IMO, we probably could offer Rasheed, Omar Lafayette, and a lottery protected (top 13) first rounder for Joel Pryzbilla and Rudy Fernandez.  

Pryzbilla is pointless in Portland right now and his injury risk makes his contract more of a risk.  

At first thought, I might have agreed with you, but I just took a second look at their roster and the C position really is not that deep for them. They've got Camby, Oden, and Przybilla.

Given that two of those are coming off injuries, they would be really thin at C if they moved either Oden or Przybilla....especially for a team looking to be a serious playoff contender.

I'd love to grab either of those two in a deal with RF for Sheed etc...but I don't see POR giving up a big.

What if they wanted Perk plus Sheed for Oden and Rudy...do you do it?

It's a wash at the C position IMO. Just as much uncertainty with both guys.



I do.  I'd say a bit more uncertainty with Oden but way more upside.  Perk is great but Oden has the potential to be a dominate center still.  In his little playing time he looked raw but still very good around the rim defending, rebounding, and scoring from underneath.  I think he can dominate the paint much like Dwight Howard does.

That's why I don't see Portland possibly giving him up.  But I would love to trade for him.  If he stays healthy he will be dominate.


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Shooting guard Rudy Fernandez is unhappy sitting behind Brandon Roy on the Portland Trail Blazers' depth chart and has been hoping for a trade. The team is possibly trying to send him all the way to the other coast.

The Oregonian reports that the Blazers are talking to the New York Knicks, Boston Celtics, and Chicago Bulls about trading for Fernandez, the 25-year-old Spaniard who set a rookie record when he made 159 three-pointers two seasons ago.

"Some of the teams interested in Fernandez have offered a future first round draft pick, while other offers would pair Fernandez with another Blazers player," the paper reports.

How happy would he be coming off the bench for the C's?

We are a better fit for him as a team that likes to run the floor.  He would love playing with Rondo.  Also, his team just signed a reserve SG to a big contract in Wes Matthews so he is buried on the bench effectively.  With us he is the number one guy coming off the bench as a 2 or 3 in a small lineup.

If we're all healthy I see Jermaine O'Neal as our best bench player but he would probably be our second.
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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #91 on: July 28, 2010, 11:17:39 AM »

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Oden isn't going anywhere. However, The C's might be able to find a way to package Sheed a Pick and a player for Rudy & Pryzbilla. Camby & Oden is a nice C team, LaMarcus has the 4 locked down. Pendergraph proved to be a nice energy big too. They could do it depth wise, but would they? Joel has an expiring contract that could be useful at the deadline, does Portland want to give that up just to off load Rudy and nab a late 1st?

Then the ? becomes what would you trade for a quality backup big & Rudy. A 1st and.. what else? We just don't have much else to give up that doesn't open another hole. Big Baby? Then we are down a big again. Bradley? No way, we lucked out getting the 19 and then again to have him slide in the draft we'd be crazy to give up that.


Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #92 on: July 28, 2010, 11:28:09 AM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.
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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2010, 11:49:11 AM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.

Of course campy is old as dirt and injury plagued as well.  But we can cross that bridge after making the move.
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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2010, 12:46:58 PM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.

That may be the single best trade idea I've seen yet.  Both sides benefit, but both also have to take a fairly big risk.

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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2010, 12:49:43 PM »

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I don't know why so many think Camby would be available. The Trailblazers resigned him at the end of the season.

Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2010, 01:45:33 PM »

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I don't know why so many think Camby would be available. The Trailblazers resigned him at the end of the season.

I think it's because they're now paying Wesley Matthews nearly 7 million dollars a year for the next 5 seaons.  Camby's deal runs two more years.

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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2010, 01:59:42 PM »

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I don't know why so many think Camby would be available. The Trailblazers resigned him at the end of the season.

I think it's because they're now paying Wesley Matthews nearly 7 million dollars a year for the next 5 seaons.  Camby's deal runs two more years.

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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2010, 02:54:53 PM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.

That may be the single best trade idea I've seen yet.  Both sides benefit, but both also have to take a fairly big risk.

Mike

I disagree.  Glen for Camby makes us alot older faster. Glen became our best player off the bench the past two seasons. He gives us so much energy, and is so quick on his feet defensively. His lack of size is a concern, but is outweighed by his positives.

Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #99 on: July 28, 2010, 02:56:37 PM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.

That may be the single best trade idea I've seen yet.  Both sides benefit, but both also have to take a fairly big risk.

Mike

This is an incredible idea. Camby, even though on the older side of his career, is a perfect fit for this team. He plays unreal defense and also still is a top 3 rebounder in the league. Having him and Oneal off the bench in the same rotation when Perk is healthy would be killer. This lineup, on paper, to me wins a championship next year.

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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #100 on: July 28, 2010, 02:57:59 PM »

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My answer would be Baby, Sheed, cash, and a numba 1 for Camby, Rudy and a numba 2.

I dont care that we are at the same number of bigs, Camby is a better center back up than Baby and we can resign Scalabrine or another PF stiff for the deeper bench PF role if Harangody isnt ready for it.

That may be the single best trade idea I've seen yet.  Both sides benefit, but both also have to take a fairly big risk.

Mike

I disagree.  Glen for Camby makes us alot older faster. Glen became our best player off the bench the past two seasons. He gives us so much energy, and is so quick on his feet defensively. His lack of size is a concern, but is outweighed by his positives.

Portland is not going to trade Camby. Oden is a perpetual question mark and so might be Pryzbilla at this point.

Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #101 on: July 28, 2010, 02:59:48 PM »

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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #102 on: July 28, 2010, 03:09:25 PM »

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My bet if the deal gets done it'll be something like:

Sheed's contract, Harangoody and a 1st

for

Fernandez and Pryzbila

Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #103 on: July 28, 2010, 03:19:06 PM »

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Just to put things in perspective, here's the stats for these past playoffs for three players.

Matt Barnes - 23.3 minutes a game, 6.4 points, 4.7 rebounds, 1.4 assists

Tony Allen - 16.3 minutes a game, 5.1 points, 1.7 rebounds, 1 steal

Rudy Fernandez - 19.8 minutes a game, 6.8 points, 1.7 rebounds, l.3 assists


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Re: Is Rudy Fernandez worth a #1?
« Reply #104 on: July 28, 2010, 03:23:45 PM »

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I'd really, really like to get Rudy, if only for the reason that he's young enough to get better.  A 25 year old athletic guy that can score in bunches is just what the doctor ordered. 

Is he legitimately 185 though?  That's barely more than what I weigh, and I'm a long way from 6'6".  We'll have to have Baby take him out to dinner a few times I guess.