NCAA College Football 2010

[Eja117]

Yeah, it's called overranking. Wow. That guy is from USC and can run fast!

If these schools are so much better why don't they beat them when they play them?

And yes, it has a lot to do with what he does every Saturday.  If an ineligible player can get paid to play why not just bring in Mike Vick? He'll be a free agent this offseason too.

Um, what? 

If you can play, you get a shot at the NFL.  Even if the guys at BCS colleges are 'overranked' as you say, non-conference players would get a chance to show up and outplay them at the NFL combines and training camps - the draft isn't the only way into the NFL.  That still doesn't happen all that often.  It's not because of ranking.  It's because BCS players are usually better. 

Aside from a few cherry-picked examples, you haven't even proven that the non-BCS teams perform so much better in head-to-head matchups.  You might point out Utah vs. Alabama or Boise State vs. Oklahoma, but I could counter with Georgia vs. Hawaii and the fact that Nevada has lost their last four bowl games to mediocre teams.  They're one of those teams you think SEC teams should have to play, right?

And the problem with Cam Newton isn't that he was ineligible to play this year - it's that he and his dad apparently tried to get Mississippi State to pay for his services.  That was a dumb decision that has nothing to do with how good he is on the football field.  Your Michael Vick comparison is completely unrelated. 

In college football you use college players, not pros.  Vick is a pro and Newton probably is too. Completely related.  If BCS conferences use pro players of course they'll be better. Of course even then they probably still aren't better, but we'll never know cause they're either too afraid or too cool to play them, so I have a few examples to cherry pick from anyway

[Eja117]

Yeah, it's called overranking. Wow. That guy is from USC and can run fast!

If these schools are so much better why don't they beat them when they play them?

And yes, it has a lot to do with what he does every Saturday.  If an ineligible player can get paid to play why not just bring in Mike Vick? He'll be a free agent this offseason too.

Um, what? 

If you can play, you get a shot at the NFL.  Even if the guys at BCS colleges are 'overranked' as you say, non-conference players would get a chance to show up and outplay them at the NFL combines and training camps - the draft isn't the only way into the NFL.  That still doesn't happen all that often.  It's not because of ranking.  It's because BCS players are usually better. 

I totally disagree that "If you can play you get a shot at the NFL."

Did Kurt Warner get to show up at the combine and be like "Hey guys! I can play!"

Of course not. He had to bag groceries, then play arena ball, then he was third string. Not really a fair shot.

Then of course there was Doug Flutie. He had to go to Canada. I wouldn't say he got a fair shot either

[Fafnir]

Your anecdotes don't consider the fact that Warner easily might not have been good enough to play in the NFL coming out of college.

There are a lot of late bloomers in the NFL, but for the most part if you can play you can stick on a roster.

If anything QB position is the one position where its hardest to break in. Fewest slots other than for kickers/punters.

[Donoghus]

The more and more I read, it looks like that Boise State will end up jumping TCU in the BCS standings either next week or almost certainly after the WAC Championship.  TCU's downfall may ultimately lie in the fact that their conference doesn't have a championship game (last week didn't help either). 

I still think Auburn loses in Tuscaloosa on the 26th (Karma bites Newton in the butt?) and we'll end up seeing one of the non-BCS teams in the National Championship game.  Oregon still has a tough one ahead against Arizona but its in Eugene.  I don't see them losing the Civil War this year since the Beavers are pretty awful although the game is in Corvallis which may make things a bit interesting. 

If Auburn or Oregon lose, I have no problem seeing Boise State or TCU in the championship game.  However if all 4 run the table, Oregon & Auburn get the nod in the national title game.  Complaining about a "weak" Pac-10 or SEC in favor of a Boise State squad that plays the likes of Utah State, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and San Jose State is ridiculous, IMO.

[Donoghus]

So I'm actually going to this Northwestern-Illinois game at Wrigley Field tomorrow.  Its been a pretty anticipated event and ESPN is broadcasting Gameday from outside of Wrigley tomorrow.

However, this development just came to light this morning and its generating a lot of discussion.  

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=5824661

So, essentially, this game is going to be played in one direction.  I understand the safety concern however its not like this is the first time football has been played at Wrigley.  The Bears played there up until 1970.  I just find it a bit of a farce and taking away from a serious college football game by having things played on one side of the field.   Those people that have tickets in the right field bleachers are going to have the action played away from them the entire game.  Not exactly what they envisioned when they bought the tickets.  

[Mike-Dub]

So I'm actually going to this Northwestern-Illinois game at Wrigley Field tomorrow.  Its been a pretty anticipated event and ESPN is broadcasting Gameday from outside of Wrigley tomorrow.

However, this development just came to light this morning and its generating a lot of discussion. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=5824661

So, essentially, this game is going to be played in one direction.  I understand the safety concern however its not like this is the first time football has been played at Wrigley.  The Bears played there up until 1970.  I just find it a bit of a farce and taking away from a serious college football game by having things played on one side of the field.   Those people that have tickets in the right field bleachers are going to have the action played away from them the entire game.  Not exactly what they envisioned when they bought the tickets. 

IMO if they are going to do this they mine as well not have the game at Wrigley and should just have it at North Western.  This doesn't even make sense.  Ik safety comes first, but if they can't play a normal game then they should just play at the home team's field.

I don't believet they're doing this at Yankee Stadium tomorrow night for the Notre Dame Vs. Navy game.

[Eja117]

Your anecdotes don't consider the fact that Warner easily might not have been good enough to play in the NFL coming out of college.

There are a lot of late bloomers in the NFL, but for the most part if you can play you can stick on a roster.

If anything QB position is the one position where its hardest to break in. Fewest slots other than for kickers/punters.

That's a very good point Fafnir.  I didn't think of that. I have very little to say about that. I would say however that the NFL doesn't by any means always play the best guy. In Flutie's case for example it was just embarrassing seeing Flutie continuously outplay Rob Johnson and continuously get benched in favor of him.

So it can happen.  Sometimes money and not making the GM look bad comes into play. Sometimes there's just a bit of an old boy network.  Take for example Bill Belichek and Urban Meyer who are very very buddy buddy. I just think a 2nd round Gator is going to get a better shot than a 7th round kid from Boise St on the Pats.  I know people might be like "Bill Belichek might be the fairest coach in the league. He'd probably kick his own mother for a win let alone bench or waive a Gator".  That would be a fair counter point, but I said what I said.

[Fafnir]

Your anecdotes don't consider the fact that Warner easily might not have been good enough to play in the NFL coming out of college.

There are a lot of late bloomers in the NFL, but for the most part if you can play you can stick on a roster.

If anything QB position is the one position where its hardest to break in. Fewest slots other than for kickers/punters.

That's a very good point Fafnir.  I didn't think of that. I have very little to say about that. I would say however that the NFL doesn't by any means always play the best guy. In Flutie's case for example it was just embarrassing seeing Flutie continuously outplay Rob Johnson and continuously get benched in favor of him.

From what I recall that was a case of the owner demanding that Johnson play ahead of Flutie.

Dysfunctional owners killing franchises since Donald Sterling came onto he scene.

[Eja117]

espn just posted an all time big 12 team

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5846088

Dat Nguyen is an awesome pick.

Vince Young over both Heisman winners makes sense because he came in 2nd in Heisman voting against an ineligible guy and won his National Championship game, whereas they lost theirs.

Ricky W over Adrian P is definitely warranted.

[Eja117]

Also is it just me or are voters purposely trying to split the TCU/Boise St vote just so neither comes within sniffing distance of the national championship?


Ohio St's president saying Boise doesn't play a tough enough schedule to get in like they do is absurd. They've beaten the same number of top 25 teams....1.   And if Boise beats Nevada and that doesn't push them from #19 out of the top 25 (it probably will surprise surprise wink wink nod nod) then Boise will have twice as many such wins.

Maybe if the Big 10 teams scheduled WAC and MTNwest teams instead of MAC and Youngstown St in their "preseason games" they'd have better rankings. Of course then they'd lose more, so no they wouldn't.

I can't point fingers at the Pac 10. They did their job. Oregon played Boise twice in a row the last two years (granted they lost both times) and USC went to Hawaii and beat a pretty decent Hawaii team.

Now lets see some mighty SEC teams play the WAC and MTNWest elite teams instead of the Sun Belt and Florida A and Ms of the world

[Donoghus]

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

Well, I'm liking one half of this prediction right now.   

[Eja117]

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

Well, I'm liking one half of this prediction right now.   

Nobody shall talk about this till the end of the game! It's like a no hitter.  Don't be the Dave Parker who's like "You pitchin a no no. You pitchin a no no."

[Chris]

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

Well, I'm liking one half of this prediction right now.   

Just for fun, what if Oregon falls to Arizona?  Would it be disastrous to have a TCU/BSU championship game?

[Eja117]

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game.  

Well, I'm liking one half of this prediction right now.    

 

Just for fun, what if Oregon falls to Arizona?  Would it be disastrous to have a TCU/BSU championship game?

You're punching below the belt now.

[Chris]

I think Auburn stumbles in the Iron Bowl and we'll see an Oregon-TCU National Title Game. 

Well, I'm liking one half of this prediction right now.   

You're punching below the belt now. 

Just for fun, what if Oregon falls to Arizona?  Would it be disastrous to have a TCU/BSU championship game?

Just curious.  I have adopted BSU as my team, and think they deserve to be in the championship game.  But I think it would be a huge disappointment if the two mid majors play each other, rather than get to prove themselves against the big boys.